"They Killed Jesus"

[micutu]

http://time-blog.com/middle_east/2007/02/jesus_tales_from_the_crypt.html
Read this asrticle and follow the news in the upcoming weeks lets se where these ppl are going with this heresy......

"Some people say that Jesus is dead! it's not true! I just talked to Him this morning, He's alive and well!"

[manu la misto]

http://time-blog.com/middle_east/2007/02/jesus_tales_from_the_crypt.html
Read this asrticle and follow the news in the upcoming weeks lets se where these ppl are going with this heresy......

"Some people say that Jesus is dead! it's not true! I just talked to Him this morning, He's alive and well!"

wow that'a pretty long lol did u actually take the time to read everisingle post on there?
anyways this is very:screwy: lol

:hello:

[micutu]

wow that'a pretty long lol did u actually take the time to read everisingle post on there?
anyways this is very:screwy: lol

:hello:
I read the entire article, but i didnt read all the posts, just a few to see what ppl think about it, I think The Da Vinci Code will be history once this documentary is coming out, wich shows the desparation that the world is fighting with against Christ and his Sovregnity

[manu la misto]

I read the entire article, but i didnt read all the posts, just a few to see what ppl think about it, I think The Da Vinci Code will be history once this documentary is coming out, wich shows the desparation that the world is fighting with against Christ and his Sovregnity

yeah i din't read every single post but this is very stupid what do u think of this?

:scratch:

[micutu]

yeah i din't read every single post but this is very stupid what do u think of this?

:scratch:
man when i read it I remembere of a crazy philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche who came up with a theory that sayd "God is dead" --- Hitler read Nietzsche while in prison and when he came out made himself God and killed millions,....I just hope this does not have the same affect as Friedrich Nietzsche's theory....

These are no facts that they have discovered, it says that it took them "over 20 years to decifer what was written on the tombs..." it actually took them 20 years to make a heresy of what is written on the tombs....and second, such caskets were only affordable by upper class families, carpenters did not have acces to stone caskets....

This is a sign of the time we live in today, I am not surprized, but disgusted...

[manu la misto]

man when i read it I remembere of a crazy philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche who came up with a theory that sayd "God is dead" --- Hitler read Nietzsche while in prison and when he came out made himself God and killed millions,....I just hope this does not have the same affect as Friedrich Nietzsche's theory....

These are no facts that they have discovered, it says that it took them "over 20 years to decifer what was written on the tombs..." it actually took them 20 years to make a heresy of what is written on the tombs....and second, such caskets were only affordable by upper class families, carpenters did not have acces to stone caskets....

This is a sign of the time we live in today, I am not surprized, but disgusted...

yeah true anyways i wouldn't mind seeing it just to see what their on about by the way i din't aprove with the davinci code but setill watched it just to see how stupid it was ehehhehe

God bless

:typing:

[micutu]

Jesus Tomb

Quote:

Bones of Jesus found, Canadian documentary claims

Last Updated: Monday, February 26, 2007 | 4:14 PM ET
CBC News

Titanic director James Cameron and Canadian filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici say they aren't trying to undermine Christianity in their new documentary that claims the remains of Jesus, his wife, Mary Magdalene, and their child have been found.

Oscar-winner Cameron and Gemini-winner Jacobovici unveiled two limestone boxes they believe once contained the remains of Jesus and Mary Magdalene during a news conference Monday at the New York Public Library.

Cameron, best-known for producing the blockbuster movie Titanic, said the $4-million US documentary doesn't set out to undermine Christianity.

"It's very far from the case," said Cameron. "What this does is celebrate the real-life existence of … this man, who, 2,000 years ago, had a vision and communicated it to people."

The claim that the bones of Jesus have been found could challenge the Christian belief that Jesus died and was resurrected three days later.

Many Christians believe Jesus' body was kept at the site of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem's Old City. The burial site identified in the documentary is in a southern Jerusalem neighbourhood nowhere near the church.

Claims nonsense, says expert

Rev. Canon William Cliff, rector and chaplain at Huron University College at the University of Western Ontario in London, Ont., said he's "doubtful" about the claims in the documentary.

"The Christian faith has always believed that Jesus was resurrected, so there would be no bones," said Cliff, who also teaches theology at the Anglican Church of Canada-affiliated college.

The Israeli-born, Canadian-raised Jacobovici said the documentary is not trying to answer any questions, but is intended to "bring the story to the world and let the experts weigh in."

Jerusalem-based biblical expert Joe Zias called the documentary nonsense, saying those involved in the project have "no credibility whatsoever."

"It's an old story that's been recycled. The story first broke in 1996 by the BBC. It burst in a couple of days," Zias said.

A tomb such as the one discovered in 1980 would have held more than 200 ossuaries and there is no way to determine whether six of those boxes contained the remains of members of a single nuclear family, Zias said.
Ossuaries found in 1980

The documentary examines 10 ancient ossuaries, first found in a tomb by a construction crew working in the Jerusalem suburb of Talpiyot in 1980. Experts from the Israeli Antiquities Authority excavated the site shortly after, finding the 10 limestone boxes inside.

Six of the ten limestone boxes were inscribed with names that could be translated as Jesus, Mary, Matthew, Joseph, Mary Magdalene and Judah, son of Jesus, said Jacobovici.

Some experts have countered these were common Jewish names at the time and that Jesus' carpenter father couldn't have afforded a crypt for his family.

While the bones found in the boxes were buried in a consecrated area in Jerusalem, Jacobovici said forensic experts can examine DNA material from human residue.

Jacobovici sent samples from the Jesus and Mary Magdalene ossuaries to the paleo-DNA lab at Ontario's Lakehead University, one of five labs in the world that can extract DNA from ancient material.

The tests showed the remains in the Jesus ossuary were not linked to the remains in the Mary Magdalene ossuary through their maternal sides, he said.

Tombs from that time usually contained blood relatives and spouses, leading the filmmakers to believe Jesus and Mary Magdalene were a couple. The filmmakers said testing is continuing to determine whether the two were related through their paternal side.
Patinas match 'James' ossuary

The filmmakers also tested the patinas — the chemical film encrusting the limestone boxes — at the Suffolk County Crime Laboratory in New York.

They say the samples from the Talpiyot ossuaries matched the patina of the controversial James ossuary, first found around 1980.

The Israeli owner of the James ossuary made the limestone box public in 2002, saying its inscription — "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" — proved its authenticity.

Israel's Antiquities Authority has declared the inscription fake and Israeli police have charged the ossuary's owner, Oded Golan, with forgery.

The Lost Tomb of Christ airs on Discovery on Friday and on Canada's Vision TV on Sunday.

With files from the Canadian Press


This is another article I found about this on a CBC news site...

[nihilo]

imagine if cameron did the same thing about islam or mohammed....

the bible is clear - in zilele din urma vor fi multi batjocoritori si necredinta va creste. i don't base my eternal security on a frikkin hollywood has-been.

[micutu]

imagine if cameron did the same thing about islam or mohammed....

the bible is clear - in zilele din urma vor fi multi batjocoritori si necredinta va creste. i don't base my eternal security on a frikkin hollywood has-been.
For real man if they would even say something against Muhamed, that would be WW3 .................what makes me mad is that this is been around as they say for over 27 years and we knew very little about it,... and whats worst that showing americans a movie, about anything???

[cristi_din_arad]

Dupa tot ce se petrece in jur, pot sa spun un singur lucru, sfarsitu' este aprope si noi nu prea ne dam seama...
Vedem cate razboaie au loc, cate conflicte intre oameni, credintza multora s-a racit, daca te uiti la televisor la stiri vezi numai crime, copii isi omoara parintii, parintii isi omoara copiii, violuri, furturi, erezii (codul lui da vinci, si chestia asta cum ca osemintele Domnului Isus au fost gasite), etc. acestea toate sunt semne care ne avertizeaza ca venirea Domnului este aproape!

2 Tesaloniceni 2:1-4
1 Timotei 4-1
Matei 24:32-33
etc.

Intrebarea este, suntem noi gata?
Pentru ca Ziua Domnului va veni ca un hot!

1 Tesaloniceni 5:2-4

N-as vrea sa spun o erezie, dar eu cred ca Sfarsitul acestei lumi va avea loc in curand si ar trebui sa luam bine seama la acest lucru, sa nu ne trezim ca cele 5 fecioare neintelepte!

Domnul Isus este acela care a spus: "Adevarat va spun ca, nu va trece neamul acesta pana se vor intampla toate aceste lucruri." Matei 24:34

Daca verificati istoria, veti afla ca statul Israel a luat fiinta in anul 1948!
Suntem in anul 2007!
2007-1948=59 de ani
Deci, statul Israel are 59 de ani de cand a luat fiintza!

Domnul Isus spune ca, nu va trece neamul acesta pana se vor intampla toate aceste lucruri!!!

Noi facem parte din neamul si generatia statului Isreal, si traim aceste vremuri!

Care este varsta omului?

Psalmul 90:10 " Anii vieţii noastre se ridică la şaptezeci de ani, iar, pentru cei mai tari, la optzeci de ani; şi lucrul cu care se mândreşte omul în timpul lor nu este decât trudă şi durere, căci trece iute, şi noi zburăm. "

Faceti voi socoteala!Nu vreau sa fiu inteles gresit, nimeni nu stie cand va avea loc venirea Domnului, pentru ca noua nu ni s-a dat sa stim ceasul, ci ni s-au dat niste semne care sa ne arate ca Domnul este la usa! dar putem vedea din Scripturi ca Ziua Domnului este aproape, nu stiu cand Domnul va veni, poate va veni la noapte, poate anul acesta, poate peste 10 ani, sau 20 de ani, dar cert este ca El va veni si ar trebui sa luam bine seama si sa ne intrebam, suntem gata?

Noi trebuie sa fim tari in credintza, si sa nu credem orice erezii, cum este aceasta care sustine idea ca oasele Domnului Isus au fost gasite, deci invieria dupa 3 zile, nu a avut loc! Aceasta este o erezie, sa nu credeti asa ceva!

Chiar Domnul nostru, Hristos, este Acela care ne spune:

Deci, dacă vă vor zice: "Iată-L în pustie", să nu vă duceţi acolo! "Iată-L în odăiţe ascunse", să nu credeţi. " Matei 24:26

Asa ca dragii mei, daca oamenii acestia de stiinta ne vor zice, "I-am gasit oasele", sa nu-i credem!

Domnul nostru Hristos este Viu si mijloceste Sus in Ceruri pentru noi ca Mare Preot inainte Tatalui ! Caci daca ar fi fost mort, nu s-ar fi gasit nimeni altul care sa poata mijloci inaintea Tatalui pentru noi, iar noi am fi murit in putrazenia pacatelelor noastre, iar sfarsitul nostru era Iadul, dar El este viu si noi traim prin El, si daca suntem ai Lui inseamna ca vom si mosteni impreuna cu El, fiind destinati Imparatiei Sale! A Lui sa fie toata Slava! :amen:

Domnul sa ne ajute sa fim pregatiti ca cele 5 fecioare intelepte! Amin!

Apocalipsa 22:20

....."Da, Eu vin curand." .......

[popa]

Only Grace gave me salvation, and only grace will lead me Home !!!!

[popa]

My question to the people that "found" Jesus' remains....

can you prove it..???

sure.....more than 500 people saw Him AFTER He raised from the dead, and so many were witnesses when he ascended into heaven !!!!!!

If in todays court you can be accused at the eyewitness of a SINGLE person...and yet people still believe Jesus us dead.....after HUNDREDS of EYEWITNESSES saw Him, raised from the dead, at with Him, touched Him....and saw Him go into the heavens......FOOLS i SAY FOOLS....

As Cristi said...these are the signs of the times.....people "saying" they believe in God, but denying His son....!!! the BIble says many will come like this.....

and Jesus conforts us so wonderfully....He says "when you see all these things happening...lift up your eyes, for your redemption is near"!!!!!!

[vocea]

Well I read part of it but got distracted with a phone call. Well What can we say. The thought that came to my mind actualy when I was reading that story and the whole thing of is this a remake of the Davinci code movie that suposevly messed up a lot of "Christians" belefes Well my thought is that this is just another like many others for those who call themselfs Christian yet they are "Christian" to realize who they are not. Thank God for all I guess its just a wake up call since in todays day and age we live in a world where the Sons of God think of it as entertainment to look at the sons of the Devil. Its sad but yet thats what is happening within a lot of the churches I have been too.

Anyways well God Bless you all and may we all stay strong and Do God's will. And if we can to help other come to Him as well. God Bless.

[nihilo]

My question to the people that "found" Jesus' remains....

can you prove it..???

sure.....more than 500 people saw Him AFTER He raised from the dead, and so many were witnesses when he ascended into heaven !!!!!!

If in todays court you can be accused at the eyewitness of a SINGLE person...and yet people still believe Jesus us dead.....after HUNDREDS of EYEWITNESSES saw Him, raised from the dead, at with Him, touched Him....and saw Him go into the heavens......FOOLS i SAY FOOLS....

As Cristi said...these are the signs of the times.....people "saying" they believe in God, but denying His son....!!! the BIble says many will come like this.....

and Jesus conforts us so wonderfully....He says "when you see all these things happening...lift up your eyes, for your redemption is near"!!!!!!

not only this, but think about the mindset of agnostics, atheists, and pretty much christ-haters in general - they latch on to evolution WITHOUT a problem, but ignore plain historical evidence. they are giddy that cameron 'found' jesus (which by the way is wrong, even members of the original discovery are saying this is good moviemaking, but inaccurate), because it validates their dark and godless lifestyle.

in john, jesus says that people liked darkness more than light because their deeds are evil.

i agree with cristi too, these things only confirm our faith. this isn't the first or the last time people have tried to kill christ and christianity.

[nihilo]

Asa ca dragii mei, daca oamenii acestia de stiinta ne vor zice, "I-am gasit oasele", sa nu-i credem!

Domnul nostru Hristos este Viu si mijloceste Sus in Ceruri pentru noi ca Mare Preot inainte Tatalui ! Caci daca ar fi fost mort, nu s-ar fi gasit nimeni altul care sa poata mijloci inaintea Tatalui pentru noi, iar noi am fi murit in putrazenia pacatelelor noastre, iar sfarsitul nostru era Iadul, dar El este viu si noi traim prin El, si daca suntem ai Lui inseamna ca vom si mosteni impreuna cu El, fiind destinati Imparatiei Sale! A Lui sa fie toata Slava! :amen:

Domnul sa ne ajute sa fim pregatiti ca cele 5 fecioare intelepte! Amin!

Apocalipsa 22:20

....."Da, Eu vin curand." .......

ce oameni de stiinta??? astia is niste oameni de nestiinta! :) they are hollywood people, that's all.

satana lucreaza mai harnic ca niciodata, ca stie ca i se apropie sfirsitu... el ar vrea sa deruteze si pe cei alesi.

our faith is not based on what cameron says. we have the word of god that is without error, and in which thousands of prophecies have come true. only a fool would deny god.

[Steven!]

That Neichtze (sp?) remark reminds me of Kevin Kline in A Fish Called Wanda.

What a sucky movie.

[nihilo]

That Neichtze (sp?) remark reminds me of Kevin Kline in A Fish Called Wanda.

What a sucky movie.

huh? what are you referring to?

[khol ve yam]

i LIKED a fish called wanda.

it will never end. we'll always be laughed at and persecuted for our faith. people need to discredit something as solid as someone's faith because it gives them a powerful feeling about themselves.

[micutu]

Într-un documentar pe care l-a prezentat recent la New York, James Cameron, regizorul filmului „Titanic”, a anutat ca a descoperit sicriele ce contin osemintele trupurilor Domnului Isus, fecioarei Maria, Maria Magdalena si ale lui Iuda, pe care îl considera a fi fiul lui Isus!

Aceasta descoperire a fost facuta cu 27 de ani în urma, în timpul unor sapaturi lânga Ierusalim, iar pe aceste sarcofage, arhelogii au identificat dupa ani de cercetare numele . „Isus fiul lui Iosif”, „Maria”, Judah, fiul lui Isus” si „Miriamne”, (Maria Magdalena ).

Acestei descoperiri i s-a atribuit autoritate stiintifica, iar unii au considerat-o deja a fi: “cea mai mare lovitura data crestinismului!”

Urmarind însa raspunsurile celor ce au fost intervievati dupa lansarea acestui documentar si comentariile ce au urmat acestui eveniment, descoperim anumite lucruri care ne fac sa ne punem un mare semn de îndoiala în dreptul acestei descoperiri. Aceasta descoperire a fost anutata de un cineast, care îsi doreste popularitatea si promovarea cu un mare impact, a noii sale realizari, urmarind mai degraba un interes material, decât cunoasterea adevarului .

Despre sarcofagele prezentate de James Cameron s-a pastrat o tacere de 27 de ani, vreme în care s-a sters orice evidenta prin care s-ar fi putut verifica contextul istoric si arheologic în care au fost gasite. Mai mult decât atât ; nu ni se explica locul exact si împrejurarile în care au fost descoperite si ce metode stiintifice au fost folosite pentru a se stabili o corespondenta între scheletele prezentate si trupurile fizice ale personajelor biblice mentionate.

Arheologul Amos Kloner, care acum 27 de ani, a descoperit mormantul în care s-au gasit aceste sarcofage, a declarat ca „dovezile folosite de James Cameron nu sunt concludente, iar toata campania lui publicitara nu se bazeaza de fapt pe nimic. El nu are nici o dovada arheologica sau stiintifica, pentru a sustine afirmatiile sale, de aceea întreaga lui actiune este doar o tentativa de a-si vinde mai bine documentariul”.

Chiar daca au fost descoperite aceste sicrie ce poarta inscriptia unor nume identice cu a Domnului Isus, fecioarei Maria, sau Maria Magdalena, numai aceste inscriptii nu sunt suficiente pentru a stabili o corespondenta între acesta descoperire si personajele biblice ce poarta aceasta identitate, pentru ca în secolul întâi în Ierusalim au fost foarte multi cei care au purtat aceleasi nume. Marele istoric Joseph Flavius, a mentionat în scrierile sale ca aproape 1/3 dintre barbatii din Israel din acea vreme, purtau numele de Iesus, Iesua sau Josua iar aproape 30% dintre femei se numeau Maria, Miriam sau Miriamne .

Luând în considerare evidentele de la mormântul Domnului Isus, declaratiile martorilor oculari si experientele traite de cei ce s-au întâlnit cu Domnul Isus dupa înviere, gasim dovezi concludente care ne arata clar ca trupul lui Hristos n-a ramas în mormânt, ci a înviat.

Domnul Isus a fost înmormântat într-un mormânt aflat în proprietatea unui om bogat din Ieruslaim cunoscut sub numele de Iosif din Arimateea. Iosif stia unde îi este gradina si care îi este mormântul. Daca n-ar fi fost o înviere, cu siguranta ca ar fi aratat tuturor celor din vremea lui unde este mormântul Domnului. Dar el n-a putut prezenta acesta marturie, pentru ca mormântul Domnului era gol!

Soldatii care au pazit acel mormânt au cunoscut cu deamanuntul ce s-a petrecut în dimineata învierii, de aceia primul lor mesaj a fost :”Hristos a înviat!” Ingerii trimisi de Dumnezeu, au comunicat femeilor ce doreau sa îmbalsameze trupul Domnului, ca Hristos nu mai este în mormânt, ci a înviat si le va întâlni în Galileea. Iar când Petru si Ioan au ajuns la mormântul în care fusese asezat trupul Domnului, au vazut fâsiile în care a fost înfasurat trupul Domnului, iar stergarul cu care I se acoperise capul, facut sul si asezat deoparte.

Acest amanunt este deosebit de important, pentru ca în acea vreme, evreii înfasurau trupul celui decedat în fâsii de pânza care se lipeau de trup, fiind imposibil ca cineva sa ia trupul, fara ca acestea sa fie distruse. Când Lazar a înviat, a iesit afara din groapa ca o statuie. Ca sa poata umbla, a trebuit ca cineva sa-l deslege de fâsiile cu care era înfasurat. În cazul Domnului Isus, aceste fâsii au ramas jos, ca un cocon din care Fiul lui Dumnezeu s-a ridicat în trupul sau transformat prin înviere.

În acesta noua identitate, Domnul Isus a fost vazut dupa înviere de multi ucenici, care l-au recunoscut deoarece avea aceisi înfatisare, iar pentru a înlatura orice îndoiala, El s-a lasat pipait si a mâncat înaintea lor. Pentru ca un numar si mai mare de ucenici L-au vazut pe Domnul Isus, înaltându-se la cer, primii crestini, luând în considerare toate aceste marturii, au crezut în înviere, fiind gata sa plateasca cu pretul vietii pentru marturisirea acestui adevar.

Daca Domnul Isus ar fi fost casatorit cu Maria Magdalena si ar si avut un fiu pe care sa-l cheme Iuda, acest fapt ar fi fost cea mai puternica acuzatie pe care ar fi gasit-o împotriva Lui cei care îi doreau moartea. Dar pentru ca El a trait în curatie si adevar, ca om adevarat si Dumnezeu adevarat, fara sa fie casatorit sau sa aiba copii si familie, cei care i-au cerut rastignirea, n-au gasit decât acuzatii mincinoase, pretinzând ca El a declarat ca strica Templu si se numeste pe Sine „Fiul lui Dumnezeu!”

Luând în considerare toate aceste marturii, trebuie sa vedem în acest documentar o mare înselatorie si-o blasfemie la adresa lui Dumnezeu. Acest documentar nu este decât o noua cursa pe care o întinde Diavolul, pentru a nega divinitatea Domnului Isus si pentru a pregati calea pentru „Anticrist”.

Daca omul care ne-a aratat cum s-a scufundat „Titanicul” doreste un scenariu pentru un nou film, care sa poarte numele „Naufragiul Crestinismului”, asteptarile nu-i vor fi împlinite, pentru ca toti cei ce au încercat sa lupte împotriva lui Dumnezeu, au fost înfrânti cu propriile arme.


Dan Boingeanu
This article I found on Ciresarii.ro he makes some really good points here

[nihilo]

after the 'documentary' aired, pretty much ANYONE who's anyone in the scientific and archaeologic community LAUGHED at this story. it was blown out of proportion by MARKETING people, it got all the agnostics and atheists in a frenzy, but in the end it was a lame attempt at portraying a fairy tale as science.

all the news reports now are saying that cameron and jacobovici pretty much became laughingstocks.

btw, the reason unbelievers got into such a frenzy is because they WISHED the report was true, so they can justify their sinful lives.

[ancabanca]

i agree with cristi too, these things only confirm our faith. this isn't the first or the last time people have tried to kill christ and christianity.

And PRAISE God, that HE is ALIVE!! Jesus is ALIVE. Death could not hold him, and some petty men in their futile and finite thinking will definitely not be able to wipe out His name. It is the name above all names; all the famous philosophers, holly-wood stars, all those "someones" have passed away, and only a select number of society actually remember them, but Jesus is TRUTH! and it is so amazing to me to see how the truth of His life, His existence can never be dilluted or diminished; they are crisply accurate today as they were when the apostles recorded them in the Bible.

like the boys before me have said in this thread, it just confirms our faith; it opens up opportunities for us to share with those around us. May God's Spirit lead us and strengthen us so that we can proudly stand, and boldly say, I pledge allegiance to the lamb!

[nihilo]

look at this, VERY typical of hollywood and secular folks in general - when they have a preposterous claim that 'we have found jesus' bones' they make it in BIG BOLD news stories, and are very 'in your face'.

when their claims are found to be lies at best and pure malicious evil at worst, they make that announcement small and unobtrusive: (i barely found this article, because it wasn't splashed accross DRUDGE, TIME, CNN, etc)

Jesus tomb film scholars backtrack (in other words, we LIED)

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1176152766396&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull