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As vrea daca se poate sa aflu mai multe informatii despre botezul cu foc(de care vorbeste Domnul Isus) si despre incercarea focului despre care vorbeste Pavel in 1 Corinteni 3:13.
meesh
10-16-2003, 11:11 AM
i heard that it was supposed to be the trials that you will go thru for His sake, which in the ends forms and strengthens our characther to glorify God. i remember doing a study once that the Glory of God IS His Character. His righteousness, his faithfulness, and is love is all part of His character which is His glory.
i think the botez is the building of our character here on earth, thru trials....and victory in those trials...
dorin pele
10-16-2003, 09:13 PM
In primul rand textul din 1 Cor.3:13 nu se refera la BOTEZUL CU FOC.
Singurele texte in care apare expresia BOTEZUL CU FOC sunt : Matei 3:11 si Luca 3:16. Daca vei studia atent(a) vei observa ca nu se refera nicidecum la incercarea focului ci la ceva mult mai grav: FOCUL VESNIC. Asa ca nu iti dori sa fii botezat(a) cu foc pentru ca acesta este pentru cei care nu au adus "roada" asa cum dealtfel scrie in Matei 3:10-12.
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hey, dorin
eu nici nu am zis ca sunt una si acelasi lucru botezul cu foc si incercarea focului(citeste bine! apropo, intelegi bine romaneste?doar o intrebare, nu te supara pe mine), doar am cerut informatii despre amandoua, dar vad ca deocamdata nici un pastor nu a raspuns.
stiu ca sunt doua lucruri diferite dar as vrea mai multe informatii despre fiecare in parte si poate putin mai in amanunt explicat.
dorin pele
10-16-2003, 10:56 PM
Da "zidi" , inteleg destul de bine romaneste. Din greseala am omis ceea ce a-i scris in paranteza. Probabil din cauza oboselii. Oricum raspunsul meu referitor la Botezul cu foc ramane valabil ca raspuns la ceea ce a scris "banateanca" :....."i think the botez is the building of our character here on earth, thru trials....and victory in those trials..."
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thanx dorin si banateanca pentru informatii ;)
RU4Jesus?
10-26-2003, 02:56 AM
I agree, It talks about your personal faith . What is it built on, Jesus or on earthly things ? When trials come that's when our faith is tested.
Think of Daniel in the den, the 3 teenagers before they went in the fire,and Paul himself.I hope this may help you some what. Are going though this?
MAY GOD BLESS YOU.
thank you ru4jesus, you shed some light on this subject.
yeah, i think i had moments in my life when my faith was put to test, but i don't know if you can call it "botezul cu foc".
RU4Jesus?
10-29-2003, 03:29 AM
My personal example is this,the night the LORD baptized me with the HOLY SPIRIT, I felt and saw the LORD'S Power at work(in chit chat , under "when did you recieve the HOLY SPIRIT" I wrote what I saw and felt). will after prayer the "botezul cu foc" came. Satan came with dubts so i can believe him into thinking that it was a lie (what I felt and saw)and that battle lasted a GOOD LONG WEEK.
Remember after JESUS got baptized in the water and with the HOLY SIPIRT, he fasted 40 days and 40 nights. JESUS was tempted by satan day after day during that time(botezul cu foc) and his very own faith was tested.
John even said "....... I baptize with water ,but he who will come after me will baptize you with the HOLY SPIRIT and FIRE".Think about it ,you can't have one with out the other.
GOD KNOWS AND I KNOW THAT I'M NOT SHOWING OFF ABOUT MY PERSONAL EXAMPLE (HOLY SPIRIT) IT"S HIS PRISE.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU .
udelia7
11-03-2003, 03:40 PM
zidi
focul este un simbol in biblie pt Duhul sfant. reflecta faptul ca duhul sfant curata si purifica asa cum focul purifica aurul ai argintul. eu cred ca botezul cu foc (apropo, ioan botezatorul vorbeste despre botezul cu foc, nu Isus, in luca 3:16 si celalalt text) este acelasi cu botezul cu Duhul Sfant.
daca iti aduci aminte, cand ucenicii Domnului au fost botezati, "niste limbi ca de foc au fost vazute impartindu-se printre ei..." (Fapte 2:3)
GB
Multumesc udelia7; dupa toate mesajele primite(printre care si cel de la tine) cu siguranta stiu mai multe si apreciez raspunsurile tuturor. Dumnezeu sa va binecuvinteze pe toti.:):clap1:
dorin pele
11-06-2003, 02:40 PM
UDELIA7 , NU STIU PE CE DOVEZI BIBLICE TE BAZEZI CAND SPUI SI CITEZ:"eu cred ca botezul cu foc este acelasi cu botezul cu Duhul Sfant."
Sunt deschis si de aceea iti cer sa analizam aceste expresii. Nu de alta , dar putem sa promovam niste concluzii care se putea sa nu fie in intentia cu care au fost scrise defapt
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