Can U Drink..............

[KrazyEuro]

Originally posted by SaintJoe69
The only time she sounds smart is when her mouth is closed. It's the same as when you can tell if a politician is telling a lie, then his/her mouth is open.
:D

thats lifting her up? the advice that is given to you is simply this, be slow to speak and quick to listen! i dont see that advice in here...i donno dude..instead of just taking the suggetion i said, you turn it around to justify your actions...

God: why did you kill him!?!?!

SaintJoe: well God we're all sinners!

God: Thou Shalt Not Murder!!

Saintjoe: but God, we're all sinners

God: you knew it was wrong and you still did it!!

SaintJoe: But God, WE ARE ALL SINNERS!

God: oh ok good excuse.

*totally fabricated cus God would've probably smithed you!*

:lol2: just be careful how you adress people, some people might not take criticsm as well as you do AKSJ

[st3lliano]

I am back once again....the lone defender of drinking, and i am not talking about water or soda, but actual alcoholic or fermented beverage! First of all, Banateaca, you did not start up this thread, VARZA did and unless you 2 are the same person, then you are wrong!

Second, KrazyEuro, that verse that you wrote about discussing the Tent of Meeting is actually self explanatory in that it tells us not to drink before going to church. Notice how there is a condition added to the actual rule. Using saintjoe's lame-o mathematical logic equations it is defined as this. Drink + Church = :tut: However, without the second condition, the equation is not complete. Soooo my point is still valid, you can still drink assuming that you arent adding any appropriations to the orginal question: is it a sin to drink? i say no it is not a sin to drink alcohol. Add a new rule to this and you change the original.

see what im sayin?? :confused:

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by christine7685
yeah... i agree with Krazyeuro.. what a freakin smart kid.. i dont know who the heck he is but i like him... and saintjoe where are your verses???? i wanna see you back up your claim.. and not just with your own logics like krazy said.. i want you to show us some solid BIBLICAL proof

Here. Since you are siding with KrazyEuro, you can take his advice:

BE SLOW TO SPEAK AND QUICK TO LISTEN! :thfro:

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by KrazyEuro
:lol2: just be careful how you adress people, some people might not take criticsm as well as you do AKSJ

Hmmm... if so, then they should "Be slow to speak and quick to listen."

If they can't stand the heat, then why throw some more wood into the fire?

If you can dish it out, then be ready to receive it.

Are there any more cliches you want me to use? :scratch:

[meesh]

hmmm....st3lliano....you are right ...i am sorry....i think i may have started another drinkin thread. i guess i didnt start this thread.

boy do i feel sheepish.....lol


my conclusion to this whole discussion is that God wouldnt have given us something that was harmful to us in the beginning. if you say that alcohol is not harmful to our bodies in any quantity, then my son, go back and do your homework in chemistry and biology and anatomy and ask any real doctor.

now.....because God's people are stubborn, God will ALLOW people to use something, but it is usually toward their destruction. check out the story about the hebrews who got sick and tired of the manna (which they needed to clean out their systems of all the junk they ate in egypt, to consecrate themselves to God....cause what you eat affects how and what you think) and they desired FLESH. at first God hesitated, but they were relentless......and heres the verses so you can see what happened as a result.

(see my next post)

[meesh]

EXODUS 16

3 And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.


7 And in the morning, then ye shall see the glory of the LORD; for that he heareth your murmurings against the LORD: and what are we, that ye murmur against us?

8 And Moses said, This shall be, when the LORD shall give you in the evening flesh to eat, and in the morning bread to the full; for that the LORD heareth your murmurings which ye murmur against him: and what are we? your murmurings are not against us, but against the LORD.


NUMBERS 11


4 And the mixed multitude that was among them fell a lusting: and the children of Israel also wept again, and said, Who shall give us flesh to eat?

5 We remember the fish, which we did eat in Egypt freely; the cucumbers, and the melons, and the leeks, and the onions, and the garlic:

6 But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes.



31 And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp, as it were a day's journey on this side, and as it were a day's journey on the other side, round about the camp, and as it were two cubits high upon the face of the earth.

32 And the people stood up all that day, and all that night, and all the next day, and they gathered the quails: he that gathered least gathered ten homers: and they spread them all abroad for themselves round about the camp.



33 And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague.

34 And he called the name of that place Kibrothhattaavah: because there they buried the people that lusted.

[SaintJoe69]

Hmmm... so God was angry that they didn't brush, huh? See? I brush, so I don't have chunks of flesh between my teeth.

I like fish. It's brain food. :thfro:

[KrazyEuro]

Originally posted by st3lliano


Second, KrazyEuro, that verse that you wrote about discussing the Tent of Meeting is actually self explanatory in that it tells us not to drink before going to church. Notice how there is a condition added to the actual rule.


so your saying its ok to drink out in the world but its not ok to drink at church? is it because God is with you at church and not out in the world? so be good on sundays, but do what you want on the other days?
beautiful christian mentality :scratch:

[meesh]

haha......i agree krazy......that is the reason why this world is so messed up as it is....

it sounds exactly like the last quote in joe signature from dc talk. dont you think?

[christine7685]

saintjoe my dear you can keep trying to "bring me up" but believe me im ALLLLLLL the way up there.. so dont worry about it : )

ANYWAYS... SEEMS TO ME LIKE LITTLE JOEY HERE IS REALLY JUST TRYING TO BRING EVERYONE DOWN IN ORDER TO DEFEND HIS SAD REASONS TO WHY HE THINKS DRINKING IS OK.. YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT... THE PEOPLE THAT KEEP SAYING "WELL SO AND SO DID IT IN THE BIBLE SO, WE ALL CAN" YEAH.. THE PEOPLE WHO THROW EVERY VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT SPEAKS AGAINST IT TO THE SIDE AND SAY "OH THAT STORY DOESNT COUNT.. ITS REALLY NOT TALKING ABOUT DRINKING AT ALL".. I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE PEOPLE, THEY JUST DONT KNOW HOW TO READ INTO THINGS AND STUDY IT.. BUT ALL WE CAN DO KRAZY IS PRAY FOR THEM.. and hope that God will help them in taking there sarcasm down a notch, and really just start to focus on being serious about His word and the way they approach others when trying to convince them of His word... now thats a REAL saint

oh and saintjoe the only time you sound smart is when.. hmm... well i dont know! i havent caught ANY of your smart moments yet!! hope to see some of that real soon

[Flo]

ya what she said

[KrazyEuro]

yah i'll concour with christine on this one :bfro:

[meesh]

hey.....dont forget me people! i am on the side of no drinking too........

[Estike]

I agree… I can’t stand it when I see the youth from church drink or smoke or whatever… I’m all like get out of my face… especially when they’re under age and they do it as if they’ve been doing it forever… I have no respect for people like that.

[Serbauti]

Just a few verses about "vin," straight from the Bible:

Prov. 23:20 "Nu fi printre cei ce beau vin, nici printre cei ce se imbuibeaza cu carne."
Prov. 23:31, 32 "Nu te uita la vin cind curge ros si face margaritare in pahar; el aluneca usor, dar pe urma ca un sarpe musca si inteapa ca un basilisc."
Prov. 21:17 "Cine iubeste petrecerile va duce lipsa, si cine iubeste vinul si untdelemnul dresurilor nu se imbogateste."
Prov. 20:1 "Vinul este batjocoritor, bauturile tari sint galagioase; oricine se imbata cu ele nu este intelept."
Osea 4:11 "Curvia, vinul si mustul iau mintile omului."
Isa. 28:7, 8 "Dar ei, se clatina de vin, si bauturile tari ii ametesc; preoti si prooroci sint imbatati de bauturi tari, sint stapiniti de vin, au ameteli din pricina bauturilor tari; se clatina cind proorocesc, se poticnesc cind judeca. Toate mesele sint pline de varsaturi murdare, si nu mai este nici un loc curat."
Rom. 13:13 "Sa traim frumos, ca in timpul zilei, nu in chefuri si in betii; nu in curvii si in fapte de rusine; nu in certuri si in pizma"
Efes. 5:18 "Nu va imbatati de vin, aceasta este destrabalare. Dimpotriva, fiti plini de Duh."
1 Cor. 10:32 "Sa nu fiti pricina de pacatuire nici pentru Iudei, nici pentru Greci, nici pentru Biserica lui Dumnezeu."

[Andrusca]

I agree with most of you People. i think that if you drink for like the "look" or to get drunk, it's wrong. and when you abuse this it's wrong. and it does say in the bible. i don't even remember but he did drink with his friends, but with food and friends, not to go crazy and things. i know for most of us it's hard to deal with the people surrounding us but i think there's nothing wrong with it. once in awhile my dad and mom have a little bit of wine at a restaraunt but no more than a glass. so it all depends on your reasoning on it's use.

[meesh]

i like your verses serbi! thanks! i needed one of those for another thread.....lolol

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by christine7685
saintjoe my dear you can keep trying to "bring me up" but believe me im ALLLLLLL the way up there.. so dont worry about it : )

ANYWAYS... SEEMS TO ME LIKE LITTLE JOEY HERE IS REALLY JUST TRYING TO BRING EVERYONE DOWN IN ORDER TO DEFEND HIS SAD REASONS TO WHY HE THINKS DRINKING IS OK.. YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT... THE PEOPLE THAT KEEP SAYING "WELL SO AND SO DID IT IN THE BIBLE SO, WE ALL CAN" YEAH.. THE PEOPLE WHO THROW EVERY VERSE IN THE BIBLE THAT SPEAKS AGAINST IT TO THE SIDE AND SAY "OH THAT STORY DOESNT COUNT.. ITS REALLY NOT TALKING ABOUT DRINKING AT ALL".. I FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE PEOPLE, THEY JUST DONT KNOW HOW TO READ INTO THINGS AND STUDY IT.. BUT ALL WE CAN DO KRAZY IS PRAY FOR THEM.. and hope that God will help them in taking there sarcasm down a notch, and really just start to focus on being serious about His word and the way they approach others when trying to convince them of His word... now thats a REAL saint

oh and saintjoe the only time you sound smart is when.. hmm... well i dont know! i havent caught ANY of your smart moments yet!! hope to see some of that real soon

Still speaking before you think, huh? What a shame. I thought you learned your lesson. :tut:

I'll be nice to you, only from request of Krazy. :thfro:

Maybe you should just begin by thinking. :D

[vdorin]

WEll i believe you can drink of course!! but you;re not allowed to get drunk!! Thats a sin... uh huh.

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by andrusca711
I agree with most of you People. i think that if you drink for like the "look" or to get drunk, it's wrong. and when you abuse this it's wrong. and it does say in the bible. i don't even remember but he did drink with his friends, but with food and friends, not to go crazy and things. i know for most of us it's hard to deal with the people surrounding us but i think there's nothing wrong with it. once in awhile my dad and mom have a little bit of wine at a restaraunt but no more than a glass. so it all depends on your reasoning on it's use.

Usually, when someone gets drunk, that would be the same as abusing the drinking. :thfro:

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by banateanca
hey.....dont forget me people! i am on the side of no drinking too........

Some people state valid reasons for their belief in not drinking, which is fine. It is when others try to impose on those that do believe in drinking, and try to tell them that it's a sin, then I consider it wrong.

Especially for those who like to pick out one or two verses from the Bible regarding a particular subject, and then base their whole belief on that one or two verses. In reality, these people have not read the passage and probably were given these verses to them from their parents because they don't know any better.

These people who believe they are "all on top" or "higher" than others. I really like to put them down to everyone else's level when I can, to show them that they are not almighty, as they think they are.

I like to debate, but I have never claimed that I am "higher" than anyone else. Those people who think like that are just delusional, and need a slap in the face to bring them back to reality.
:twak:

[Serbauti]

[...it all depends on your reasoning on it's use.]

[WEll i believe you can drink of course!! but you;re not allowed to get drunk!! Thats a sin... uh huh.]

Well, dear andrusca711 and vdorin, it's not really our opinions that count, but the Word of God, and allow me to repeat one of at least 10 verses from the Bible (not just 1 or 2 verses) that I posted earlier on this page (you might want to go back and check it out), which is Prov. 23:20 "Nu fi printre cei ce BEAU vin, nici printre cei ce se imbuibeaza cu carne." Does it have any validity?

As for SaintJoe, you still sound pretty harsh. I don't think Jesus would slap anyone "in the face to bring them back to reality." Try to live up to your name and the last of your signature verses(dcTalk), please!

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by Serbauti
[...it all depends on your reasoning on it's use.]

[WEll i believe you can drink of course!! but you;re not allowed to get drunk!! Thats a sin... uh huh.]

Well, dear andrusca711 and vdorin, it's not really our opinions that count, but the Word of God, and allow me to repeat one of at least 10 verses from the Bible (not just 1 or 2 verses) that I posted earlier on this page (you might want to go back and check it out), which is Prov. 23:20 "Nu fi printre cei ce BEAU vin, nici printre cei ce se imbuibeaza cu carne." Does it have any validity?

As for SaintJoe, you still sound pretty harsh. I don't think Jesus would slap anyone "in the face to bring them back to reality." Try to live up to your name and the last of your signature verses(dcTalk), please!

Harsh? :scratch: About what? :scratch:

Hmmm... Christine6785, draga, will you ever forgive me? Will you marry me and let me show you that I am not a harsh person?
:rolleyes: :sly:

Gosh... would it have been easier to use sarcasm if I had picked out another screen name for myself? Something like monkeybrain, or maybe better yet, that other screen name I see floating around every now and then... your momma...ohhh.

Why people make up these screen names is beyond me. I guess it is easier for someone to believe what they have to say when they come up with a "valid" screen name.

I'll try to lighten up, Serbauti. Thanks. :thfro:

[Moe]

wow u guys when you guys try to get a point out u will fight intil u die............................

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by moise iovescu
wow u guys when you guys try to get a point out u will fight intil u die............................

Well, it's just like politics. Except we all actually love each other, don't we?
:D

[meesh]

politics, eh?


you guys know what politics are?

[meesh]

poli = many

tics = blood sucking creatures...

polictics= many blooding sucking creatures.........


haha lol :twak: :tom:

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by banateanca
poli = many

tics = blood sucking creatures...

polictics= many blooding sucking creatures.........

haha lol :twak: :tom:

Well, I guess we could be considered tics sometimes. :D

Should I have used the word vampires instead? Does that sound better? :eek::whip:

[SaintJoe69]

Besides, is it better to be blood sucking creatures, or would it be more preferable that we are grapejuice drinking creatures, whether it is fermented or not?
:thfro:

[st3lliano]

Originally posted by Serbauti
Just a few verses about "vin," straight from the Bible:

Prov. 23:20 "Nu fi printre cei ce beau vin, nici printre cei ce se imbuibeaza cu carne."


Well you used this verse twice, so I wanted to ask you what you though about eating meat as is suggested in this verse as well? and whether you can believe this or not, it does not say "you do not drink wine", it says "dont hang out with those who do it" and it continues to mention drunkeness. So basically, it does not say that I can not drink wine.

In other words, SaintJoe has a good point, that we need to not jump so far to say that the drinking of wine is wrong only because the few verses associated with drunkeness are mentioned. There is a distinction, and someone hit the nail on the head. Drinking with your dinner, or simply having something to warm you up on a cold night, should not be bad because the Bible says its wrong to get drunk! (please try to notice the distinction).

Anyway, in defense of Saintjoe, i have never seen him act more than civil in these threads (needless to say, i am not even half as civil :lol2: ) and maybe it is warranted that he ask certain people to maintain their silence as they are probably not even old enough to think yet. ( i told you im not civil :box: )

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by st3lliano
Well you used this verse twice, so I wanted to ask you what you though about eating meat as is suggested in this verse as well? and whether you can believe this or not, it does not say "you do not drink wine", it says "dont hang out with those who do it" and it continues to mention drunkeness. So basically, it does not say that I can not drink wine.

In other words, SaintJoe has a good point, that we need to not jump so far to say that the drinking of wine is wrong only because the few verses associated with drunkeness are mentioned. There is a distinction, and someone hit the nail on the head. Drinking with your dinner, or simply having something to warm you up on a cold night, should not be bad because the Bible says its wrong to get drunk! (please try to notice the distinction).

Anyway, in defense of Saintjoe, i have never seen him act more than civil in these threads (needless to say, i am not even half as civil :lol2: ) and maybe it is warranted that he ask certain people to maintain their silence as they are probably not even old enough to think yet. ( i told you im not civil :box: )

This was pretty funny. I just had to comment on the fact that, "I told you so" in regards to people who take one verse and base a whole debate on it.
:tut:

[KrazyEuro]

i take it stelliano likes to have reasons to why he believes what he does is alright! same as saintjoe! if you guys wanna drink, thats all gravy baby!, but when you start to compromise with the possibilities of evil, the doors are opened for satan to come and kick it in your house..hey like you said stelliano, its ok to drink as long as your not doing it in church, because in church God is more closer to you there or something, i donno the reasoning behind that but you said its ok to drink but not in church. cool, i'll make sure to keep my adulterous ways outside of church, my theivious ways outside of church, my unwholesome talk outside of church, and it will be all good because i didnt do it inside of church like you said...do evil on mon-sat, but Sunday, make sure your sober and pure and truthful and respectful! :bfro:

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by KrazyEuro
i take it stelliano likes to have reasons to why he believes what he does is alright! same as saintjoe! if you guys wanna drink, thats all gravy baby!, but when you start to compromise with the possibilities of evil, the doors are opened for satan to come and kick it in your house..hey like you said stelliano, its ok to drink as long as your not doing it in church, because in church God is more closer to you there or something, i donno the reasoning behind that but you said its ok to drink but not in church. cool, i'll make sure to keep my adulterous ways outside of church, my theivious ways outside of church, my unwholesome talk outside of church, and it will be all good because i didnt do it inside of church like you said...do evil on mon-sat, but Sunday, make sure your sober and pure and truthful and respectful! :bfro:

Now you're thinking! :thfro:

Come on. Did I ever say I drink? I drink the wine when we celebrate cina every first Sunday of the month, but I don't consider that a sin. Man, if it was, I guess our whole church sins once a month. I merely debate the argument that the act of drinking in itself is not a sin, and no where in the Bible does it say that it is a sin. It states that one should not abuse it and should not become a drunkard. There are many people who drink wine to celebrate the last supper as Christ did. I still believe that Christ drank, and I'm not talking about grape juice, either.

Do not accuse me of being an alcoholic just because I drink an ounce of wine once a month.
:lam:

[KrazyEuro]

did i ever say it was a sin?

[st3lliano]

YES!!! you compared drinking to "thieving, adulterating, and cursing"!. by making the comparison (which is a fallacy btw), you are claiming that it is a sin because you wouldnt do the other things in church as well, so that means we should not do them at home.

Saintjoe thank you for reminding everyone that they do drink alcohol when they take the Lord's Supper!! I can not believe that some people would make opposing claims which is tantamount to hipocrasy!!

[KrazyEuro]

i drink grape juice :bfro: and quote me where i said its a sin :bfro:
with accusations i need proof! not just gibberish :bfro:

[KrazyEuro]

Originally posted by KrazyEuro
good points guys...if you read in 1 corinthians..i actually forgot what chapter it says..but it goes something like this.."if your drinking causes someone to stumble, dont drink around them, make sure you drink between you and God" i dont think its a sin cus the bible never says it is...lets say i think drinking is bad.. and lets say cosmin drinks alcohol but not to get drunk..and say he drinks it in front of me...and i say hey man thats not cool thats wrong....if cosmin still decides to drink in front of me from that day forward..its a sin..cus he's causing me to look at another christian and say geez and he calls himself a christian? however the bible says dont get drunk...who here knows where his limits are with drinking before they get drunk?? nobody does..or nobody did..there is no way to know how much you can drink before getting drunk..unless you drank til you got drunk and then said ok thats my limits...as christians...why are we gonna go to the limit??? why are we gonna see how far we can go to the edge of the cliff before we loose our footing and fall??? we should keep away from falling in all things..if we know that theres a possible falling into sin type of situation...why go there?? keep away from it...and steve...yah you know maybe the scriptures were meant for JESUS at that time..maybe they wanted Jesus to be clean cus he was the last prophet like you say...but doesnt the bible say to BE JUST LIKE JESUS?? FALLOW HIS HEART?? are you saying that only Jesus could be perfect so we shouldnt even try?? no the bible says BE LIKE JESUS! yah i know we cant..but does that make it right to say well that was meant for Jesus only and not for us...drinking impairs your judgement...how can a christian be the light if he cant even think straight?

if you would read my posts, i said this on the 2nd page of this thread!

[KrazyEuro]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by KrazyEuro
i dont think drinking is a sin...but the bible says dont cause anybody to stumble..so if to me drinking is a sin...i wont drink.. and if you know drinking is a sin to me...dont drink in front of me.. the bible says keep that between you and God...so lets say saintjoe (sorry dude lol...we're always against eachother i felt like adding ur name lol) that we're out after church one night..and you pop open a bud or whatever it is you might like..and knowing that i think its wrong..thats a sin against you..cus i will look at it and say..wow..claiming christianity and yet still drinks?QUOTE]

again i said this about the 4th page :bfro:

[st3lliano]

but then your not making sense! so you dont think drinking is a sin, and yet it would be bad for someone to drink in front of you because you think its bad for him to drink in front of you? wow! u really showed me the LIGHT! :lol2:

actually im so confused i tied my shoes to my hands!! :screwy:

Either it is right or wrong. That is the issue. if it is wrong, then it is a sin! I know the issue about stumbling blocks, but if something is not a sin, and someone still falls from that, then what does that tell you about that person?

o and btw, i only said that you think drinking is a sin because of your comparison made in your (uhhh im not going back to count, just scroll up :lol2: )

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by KrazyEuro
lets look over something rite quick ..first off i never drank before and i think its wrong to drink! lol...but im just gonna show why some verses used are not good arguments...

this talks about drinking whine OR "STRONG" (key word) drink.. such as jack daniels and whatever else is hard..doesnt talk about drinking a drink that doesnt really impair your thinking...example.. bicardi silver...if you drink it..it doesnt necessarily get you drunk.. and the legal drinkin whatever is .08 ..or something like that.. so yah you cant really use that verse :bfro:

this again talks about STRONG (key word) drink..same as previous verse..nothing really to say here... :bfro:

this talks about stumbling..and not to drink whine..or eat other flesh... well if you eat sarmale..your eating someone else's flesh.. an animal lol...and...it doesnt talk about other drinks such as bicardi and so forth..however..if your drinking causes someone to stumble..the bible says in 1 corinthians to keep it in your house between you and God...and it does talk about that... once again i agree that drinking is bad TO ME..but to say its a sin... eh thats a different thing..because i think its bad..yes i consider it a sin if i drink it...if someone doesnt see it bad to drink a lil here and there..cool..DONT GET DRUNK!! ...i think drinking's bad though.. good verses...but they dont back up your point :bfro:

So, here it states that you think it's wrong, but not a sin. So, how many things do you consider to be wrong but not a sin? I am not saying that all things that are wrong are automatically a sin, but what other things do you consider to be wrong that is not a sin?
:scratch:

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by KrazyEuro
DRINKING IS A SIN!!!!

You and your sons are not to drink wine or other fermented drink whenever you go into the Tent of Meeting, or you will die. This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come (Leviticus 10:9).

Um, your honor, I'd like to introduce into the court the second piece of evidence, which we will label as Evidence 'B'. With this second piece of evidence, the prosecution will rest it's case on this subject.

Judge: Counselors St3lliano and KrazyEuro, please approach the bench.

[St3lliano and KrazyEuro approach the bench]

Judge: KrazyEuro, the evidence against the defense it outstanding and very crucial. Do you wish to make a plea bargain with the prosecution for a case of temporary insanity?

KrazyEuro: Yes, your honor. The defense will concede the case, and request a plea bargain of temporary insanity. I have seen the error in the mistakes of my testimony.

Judge: Ok. The final decision of the courts in the case of KrazyEuro vs. the People of Royouth, represented by St3lliano, is hereby closed. KrazyEuro is guilty, as charged, with stating that "Drinking is a sin." The defense has requested a lesser plea of temporary insanity, and has been granted this plea by the courts. Case dismissed.

:twak: Sorry, my gavel is in the shop. :D

[tenazrael]

im thirsty! :D

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by KrazyEuro
i drink grape juice :bfro: and quote me where i said its a sin :bfro:
with accusations i need proof! not just gibberish :bfro:

Although the proof found in the case of KrazyEuro vs. St3lliano and the people of Royouth was not Biblical, it was enough to convict him and sentence the guilty party to a psycho analysis, and a short term in the mental institution under close supervision of Dr. Joe.

The mental patient :wall: will be watched carefully, and a review of his case will be open for an appeal on an early release date.
:sly:

[KrazyEuro]

:lol2: woah! and if you guys would read all the posts from before and see where i came in, you would see i came in out of jokingly with that statement! however you guys will take it literrally so i lost! so do what thou wilt :bfro:

[st3lliano]

:lol2: caught you with your....uhhh.... hair messed up! so you wont concede that im right and your wrong!! (according to our example thats means you have sinned bwhahaha :lol2: )

[KrazyEuro]

yah yah whatever :lol2: you guys know i said it in a jokingly way cus everybody was for drinking so i wanted to argue against saintjoe!!! yah i said it! i wanna argue against saintjoe :bfro:

[SaintJoe69]

Here... I am posting merely to bring this thread up to the first page. Some people will not look past the first page of threads before starting another one. No wonder there are 50 threads on love, and 10 threads on drinking, and 25 threads on the batic issues.

Goodness. I can't debate the same thing in each thread. :nono:

[AtlzMostWanted]

lol joe heeres my thing i think its wrong to drink cuz yes in the bible it says that God drinks at some feast but we are not holy enough to do w.e he did so ya besides drinking is wrong and u all know it trust me........ i have seen guys just drink one beer and then never saw them at church again cuz that does make u loose ur faith thinking like oh its k if i just drink this once and then its ok if i do this and do that and by the end u have went past just drinking one bear i think its wrong my opinion dont chop of my head for it lol

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by lovingromobabe
lol joe heeres my thing i think its wrong to drink cuz yes in the bible it says that God drinks at some feast but we are not holy enough to do w.e he did so ya besides drinking is wrong and u all know it trust me........ i have seen guys just drink one beer and then never saw them at church again cuz that does make u loose ur faith thinking like oh its k if i just drink this once and then its ok if i do this and do that and by the end u have went past just drinking one bear i think its wrong my opinion dont chop of my head for it lol

:lol2: Okay, I'll go easy on you. So, you are telling me that God/Jesus drank, but you don't think it's okay for us because we are human? :laf:

I'm sorry. No comments. Just to be nice, as you requested. :D

[AtlzMostWanted]

no im saying that like if we are holy and do what Gods wants us to do i mean like dont sin and all then ya u can drink but if u have a lot of pacate allready on ur cruce then why add more? if u read the bible alot and pray all the time and do the things that Gods wants u to do then its k but if u are allready have done to many other dumb things then why add more..... it depends on ur holliness level i guess i dont know lol

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by lovingromobabe
no im saying that like if we are holy and do what Gods wants us to do i mean like dont sin and all then ya u can drink but if u have a lot of pacate allready on ur cruce then why add more? if u read the bible alot and pray all the time and do the things that Gods wants u to do then its k but if u are allready have done to many other dumb things then why add more..... it depends on ur holliness level i guess i dont know lol

:laf: This is a pretty poor argument. Maybe you should just read through the thread and concur with someone that can express themself better. Do you realize what you are saying?
:scratch:

[AtlzMostWanted]

yes!!! but aghhhh i cant explain it..........oh well i quit lol forget it u win but im gonna go bug u on the pictures LOL hahhah jk lol ya so did she say yes? to ya hahahahahhahah jk k i will stop before someone says something lol

[tenazrael]

argh... too many drinking threads! gees :(

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by lovingromobabe
yes!!! but aghhhh i cant explain it..........oh well i quit lol forget it u win but im gonna go bug u on the pictures LOL hahhah jk lol ya so did she say yes? to ya hahahahahhahah jk k i will stop before someone says something lol

:topicoff: So did who say yes to what question? I have asked too many questions in these threads and in the photo sections, that I have lost track of which ones have been answered and which ones still need to be answered. Have you been tracking my postings?
:scratch:

[AtlzMostWanted]

hahhahahhahhahahahahahahahahhaha :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: go to jakotas picture lol reread the posts

[kristinutsa]

Originally posted by lovingromobabe
hahhahahhahhahahahahahahahahhaha :lol2: :lol2: :lol2: go to jakotas picture lol reread the posts

Ummm... okay. Drinking alcohol is not a sin. The Bible does not say so. :D

SJ

[serenade]

yeah .. but it does say its not wise to drink ..

-GabRiel ..

[AtlzMostWanted]

cuz u might not be able to stop yourself......

[kristinutsa]

Originally posted by ShatteredxSoul
yeah .. but it does say its not wise to drink ..

-GabRiel ..

Really? Which verse is that? :scratch:

SJ

[whoRu]

HERE ARE 75 BIBLICAL REASONS WHY NOT TO DRINK ALCOHOL

1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.
2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality
3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.
4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.
5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.
6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.
7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.
8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.
9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.
10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree.
11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.
12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed.
13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated
14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.
15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.
16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.
17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.
18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.
19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.
20) Proverbs 23:21 - Drunkenness causes poverty.
21) Proverbs 23:29-30 - Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.
22) Proverbs 23:31 - God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.
23) Proverbs 23:32 - Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.
24) Proverbs 23:33 - Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.
25) Proverbs 23:34 - Alcohol makes the drinker unstable
26) Proverbs 23:35 - Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming.
27) Proverb 31:4-5 - Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.
28) Proverbs 31:6-7 - Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today.
29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 - The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:8)
30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 - A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.
31) Isaiah 5:11-12 - Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk.
32) Isaiah 5:22 - Woe to "champion" drinkers and "experts" at mixing drinks.
33) Isaiah 19:14 - Drunken men stagger in their vomit.
34) Isaiah 22:12-13 - The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them.
35) Isaiah 24:9 - Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges.
36) Isaiah 28:1 - God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim.
37) Isaiah 28:3 - Proud drunkards shall be trodden down.
38) Isaiah 28:7 - Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment.
39) Isaiah 28:8 - Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth.
40) Isaiah 56:9-12 - Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today.
41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 - The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.
42) Ezekiel 44:21 - Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine.
43) Daniel 1:5-17 - Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.
44) Daniel 5:1 - Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking.
45) Daniel 5:2-3 - The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple.
46) Daniel 5:4 - Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods.
47) Daniel 5:23 - God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed.
48) Hosea 4:11 - Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence.
49) Hosea 7:5 - God reproves princes for drinking.
50) Joel 1:5 - Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment.
51) Joel 3:3 - The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine.
52) Amos 2:8 - Unrighteous acts of Israel included the drinking of wine which had been taken for the payment of fines.
53) Amos 2:12 - Israel is condemned for forcing Nazarites to drink wine.
54) Micah 2:11 - Israelites are eager to follow false teachers who prophesy plenty of intoxicating drinks.
55) Nahum 1:10 - The drunkards of Nineveh will be destroyed by God.
56) Habakkuk 2:5 - A man is betrayed by wine.
57) Habakkuk 2:15 - Woe to him that gives his neighbor drink.
58) Habakkuk 2:16 - Drinking leads to shame.
59) Matthew 24:48-51 - A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return.
60) Luke 1:15 - John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.
61) Luke 12:45 - Christ warned against drunkenness.
62) Luke 21:34 - Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return.
63) Romans 13:13 - Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.
64) Romans 14:21 - Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.
65) 1 Corinthians 5:11 - If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him.
66) 1 Corinthians 6:10 - Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God
67) Galatians 5:21 - Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.
68) Ephesians 5:18 - In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit.
69) 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 - Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night and darkness.
70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 - Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.
71) 1 Timothy 3:8 - Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.
72) 1 Timothy 3:11 - Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.
73) Titus 1:7-8 - An overseer is to be disciplined.
74) Titus 2:2-3 - The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.
75) 1 Peter 4:3-4 - The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life.

[whoRu]

Originally posted by ShatteredxSoul
yeah .. but it does say its not wise to drink ..

-GabRiel ..


I agree.. I think that bible says it's not wise to drink wine/alochol in a pretty convincing manner

[SaiNt]

Josh i agree with you 100%

why are people still wondering if its a SIN to drink...if u even call urself a christian and are asking urself if its ok or not...u need to chek urselves no joke..thats prety sad...

[AtlzMostWanted]

Originally posted by SaiNt
Josh i agree with you 100%

why are people still wondering if its a SIN to drink...if u even call urself a christian and are asking urself if its ok or not...u need to chek urselves no joke..thats prety sad...

lol i dont know beats me i think it is but oh well........ lol :sly: noones listens to me lol

[kristinutsa]

Originally posted by SaiNt
Josh i agree with you 100%

why are people still wondering if its a SIN to drink...if u even call urself a christian and are asking urself if its ok or not...u need to chek urselves no joke..thats prety sad...

I hope people don't think your a mini-me of SaintJoe69.

Anyhow, some of those 75 reasons NOT to drink that were posted were not necessarily talking about drinking, but about becoming drunk. I think that is what the debate is about.

As for you, saint, judging other people, you belong in the same category as 65stang. :nono:

SJ

[Sorin-Andrei]

wow this is quite a large thread - sorry if i'm to re-iterate some of the things which people may well have said in the other pages on this thread, but i've just not had the time to read it all.

there is one verse i would like to bring again to light (if anyone else has already, my apologies).


I Cor.6:12 "Everything is permissible for me but not everything is beneficial. Everything is permissible for me - but I will not be mastered by anything. - KJV


for me this is not a licence for anybody to go all out and drink, just because it's permissible. This verse shows that everything is permissible as in "able to be Forgiven" because the Father's love is never-ending and all-enduring, but not everything is necessarily good for a Christian.

I don't believe that God will send judgement on a person on the basis of their drinking a glass of wine. I do believe that He has given all His children a sense of Reasoning which allows us to make our own decisions in regards to our Walk with Christ. There's nothing that He can't forgive (apart from our refusal to accept His forgiveness), but not everything is necessarily helpful in our walk with Christ. If, as Christians, our main aim is to follow Christ and live For Him, we should aim to remove things from our Life which aren't beneficial, although they may well be permissible.


Micah 6:8 “He has shown you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you, but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?”


Many Christians carry a certain Stigma with regards to drinking - in that we put it on a pedestal where it does not belong. We look to the drink itself, rather than the pollution that sin causes in our lives and the way it creates a void between ourselves and God. It's a nice way of making ourselves feel better because we can manifest the stigma in something physical, like alcohol and drinking, rather than something that is unseen, like lustful thoughts, greed, jealousy, deceit and the likes. These 'non-physical, non-visible' sins are often the sins which are ACTUALLY causing our separation from God, yet we concentrate on our Brother/Sister who is having a glass with their meal or at a social gathering?


“First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” Matthew 7:5


i've always hated the judgemental attitude that we often have with regards to these things. We have a Father who honestly wants us for Himself, who created us as we are out of the outpoor of His Love - meaning that He is over-filled with Love for us. Judgemental attitudes are the creation of People - of sinful heart and disposition.

My belief is that if you honestly don't want to drink - and believe it to be a sin - then don't do it, because then you would be committing a pre-meditated sin that "te va abate din cale" and will separated you from God.
While, if you are of the honest belief that it has no effect on you or your life, and that it does not have adverse effects on your relationship with God, then who are we to stop you? The Bible does NOT CLEARLY state that we are committing a sin either by drinking or not drinking (as it does with many other sins) - but it does say that we as humans can easily be pushed away from the Path with Christ, if we dwell on our sins and IN our sins.

I hope i've not confused anybody here - Be Blessed!

[DreiBanatean]

Sorin-Drei get a life bro...:p get back to work there and stop messing around on royouth :p only messing with ya bro, i agree with u, even though i didnt read it coz its to long, but i know ur a smart guy, i gotta get back to work....ciaoz..

[Andrusca]

i agree with half the peoples on here. drinking was not a sin then, getting drunk was and still is
and cammie, remember the miracle with jesus turning water into wine.... um yeah he drank that of course
and it does state in the bible he drank wine and had bread at passover, so i dont understand why some churches have grape juice cuz we are supposed to do like he did then..... and we should have bread and wine everytime we gather with our brothers and sisters at church, which means even those days like study groups with adults or worship night.... yeah
andrea

[Andrusca]

HERE ARE 75 BIBLICAL REASONS WHY NOT TO DRINK ALCOHOL

1) Genesis 9:20-26 - Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.
2) Genesis 19:30-38 - Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality
3) Leviticus 10:9-11 - God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.
4) Numbers 6:3 - The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.
5) Deuteronomy 21:20 - A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.
6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 - God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.
7) Deuteronomy 32:33 - Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.
8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 - Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.
9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 - Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.
10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 - Nabal died after a drunken spree.
11) 2 Samuel 11:13 - By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.
12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 - Amnon was drunk when he was killed.
13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 - The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated
14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 - Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.
15) Esther 1:5-12 - The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.
16) Psalm 75:8 - The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.
17) Proverbs 4:17 - Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.
18) Proverbs 20:1 - Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.
19) Proverbs 23:19-20 - A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.
20) Proverbs 23:21 - Drunkenness causes poverty.
21) Proverbs 23:29-30 - Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.
22) Proverbs 23:31 - God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.
23) Proverbs 23:32 - Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.
24) Proverbs 23:33 - Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.
25) Proverbs 23:34 - Alcohol makes the drinker unstable
26) Proverbs 23:35 - Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming.
27) Proverb 31:4-5 - Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.
28) Proverbs 31:6-7 - Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today.
29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 - The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:8)
30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 - A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.
31) Isaiah 5:11-12 - Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk.
32) Isaiah 5:22 - Woe to "champion" drinkers and "experts" at mixing drinks.
33) Isaiah 19:14 - Drunken men stagger in their vomit.
34) Isaiah 22:12-13 - The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them.
35) Isaiah 24:9 - Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges.
36) Isaiah 28:1 - God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim.
37) Isaiah 28:3 - Proud drunkards shall be trodden down.
38) Isaiah 28:7 - Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment.
39) Isaiah 28:8 - Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth.
40) Isaiah 56:9-12 - Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today.
41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 - The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.
42) Ezekiel 44:21 - Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine.
43) Daniel 1:5-17 - Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.
44) Daniel 5:1 - Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking.
45) Daniel 5:2-3 - The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple.
46) Daniel 5:4 - Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods.
47) Daniel 5:23 - God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed.
48) Hosea 4:11 - Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence.
49) Hosea 7:5 - God reproves princes for drinking.
50) Joel 1:5 - Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment.
51) Joel 3:3 - The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine.
52) Amos 2:8 - Unrighteous acts of Israel included the drinking of wine which had been taken for the payment of fines.
53) Amos 2:12 - Israel is condemned for forcing Nazarites to drink wine.
54) Micah 2:11 - Israelites are eager to follow false teachers who prophesy plenty of intoxicating drinks.
55) Nahum 1:10 - The drunkards of Nineveh will be destroyed by God.
56) Habakkuk 2:5 - A man is betrayed by wine.
57) Habakkuk 2:15 - Woe to him that gives his neighbor drink.
58) Habakkuk 2:16 - Drinking leads to shame.
59) Matthew 24:48-51 - A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return.
60) Luke 1:15 - John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.
61) Luke 12:45 - Christ warned against drunkenness.
62) Luke 21:34 - Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return.
63) Romans 13:13 - Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.
64) Romans 14:21 - Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.
65) 1 Corinthians 5:11 - If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him.
66) 1 Corinthians 6:10 - Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God
67) Galatians 5:21 - Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.
68) Ephesians 5:18 - In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit.
69) 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 - Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night and darkness.
70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 - Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.
71) 1 Timothy 3:8 - Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.
72) 1 Timothy 3:11 - Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.
73) Titus 1:7-8 - An overseer is to be disciplined.
74) Titus 2:2-3 - The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.
75) 1 Peter 4:3-4 - The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life.
if i'm correct these people got DRUNK, not about drinking and having a glass of wine cuz Christ drank! its not a big issue. getting drunk abusing alcohol or abusing anything is a sin! that's it!
andrea

[Andrusca]

and when one of your verses states that if a christian is a drinker don't associate with him.... yeah don't becuz if you're a drinker then yeah you get drunk. when you drink occasionaly at a meal or have a glass of wine with dessert and no more, its not bad!

i cannot say this enough!
andrea

[Luscious]

Sorin-Drei get a life bro...:p get back to work there and stop messing around on royouth :p only messing with ya bro, i agree with u, even though i didnt read it coz its to long, but i know ur a smart guy, i gotta get back to work....ciaoz..


you shouldn't agree with people just because they're "smart."


To have Wisdom and to be smart, that is as different as light and darkness.

Why don't you check up on some bible verses to see that SOME of the things he said is extremely wrong.

[Sorin-Andrei]

To have Wisdom and to be smart, that is as different as light and darkness.


too true Sister.

but where am i wrong luscious? may i ask?

please show me, i'd like to know where i am wrong in what i said.

[Luscious]

too true Sister.

but where am i wrong luscious? may i ask?

please show me, i'd like to know where i am wrong in what i said.



I am a male to begin with. Just to let you know. No harm done anyway.


Also, check up on the NEW "drinking" thread. read my FEW posts there.
And you tell me what those bible verses mean to YOU.


P.S.....post in the NEW thread please.

[Sorin-Andrei]

hey sorry about the sister thing - didn't realise you were a dude.

just grab them and post them on this thread - i can't be bothered posting about the same topic in another thread... please...

[Luscious]

we might as well post in the new thread. people won't go read all the posts in this one. besides, i am not allowed to post the same post twice.

[Sorin-Andrei]

send me the link i can't find the thread...

[Canadian, eh?]

The English Bible refers to alcohol as wine, but the Romanian does not call alcohol wine-it calls it the fruit of the vine. This meas its not alcoholic. Knowing that the Romanian language(since its Latin) is more accurate than the english language, I would not drink WINE but the FRUIT OF THE VINE (grape juice). The translators of the Bible made a terrible mistake when translating. This is one of the reasons why some trasnlations are not accurate.The only place where Jesus was actually involved with wine was at the wedding in Cana Galiliee. But he hadn't started his ministry yet so therefore that event does not allow us to drink.

GB,
Dan<><

[dosescud]

The English Bible refers to alcohol as wine, but the Romanian does not call alcohol wine-it calls it the fruit of the vine. This meas its not alcoholic. Knowing that the Romanian language(since its Latin) is more accurate than the english language, I would not drink WINE but the FRUIT OF THE VINE (grape juice). The translators of the Bible made a terrible mistake when translating. This is one of the reasons why some trasnlations are not accurate.The only place where Jesus was actually involved with wine was at the wedding in Cana Galiliee. But he hadn't started his ministry yet so therefore that event does not allow us to drink.

GB,
Dan<><

would Jesus make wine to serve if it was a sin to drink? double standards :twak:

[61leumas]

I Dont Think There Is Double Standard....i Think Wine Is Alcholic But Fruit Of The Vine Is Grap Juice Or "must"(however You Slepp That In Romanian)...so I Think It Was "must" Or Grape Juice He Had But Not Wine...moere Importantly He Was No Causing Them To To Sin Because They Did Not Know Of Sin Because He Had Not Yet Died For Them And Washed Away There Sins..they Still Sacraficed Animals...and Drinking Wine Is Not A Sin, But Getting Drunk Is.

[dosescud]

I Dont Think There Is Double Standard....i Think Wine Is Alcholic But Fruit Of The Vine Is Grap Juice Or "must"(however You Slepp That In Romanian)...so I Think It Was "must" Or Grape Juice He Had But Not Wine...moere Importantly He Was No Causing Them To To Sin Because They Did Not Know Of Sin Because He Had Not Yet Died For Them And Washed Away There Sins..they Still Sacraficed Animals...and Drinking Wine Is Not A Sin, But Getting Drunk Is.

the bolded part doesn't make much sense... They knew what sin was. That is why they had the sacrifices. "A sin offering". Anyway, i agree with you that drinking wine is not a sing but getting drunk is.

[Sorin-Andrei]

AllForChrist - are you kidding?

exactly as dosescud said - if Jesus was to serve WINE to poeple, knowing that He was the Son of God (regardless of wether He'd started His ministry or not), and then profess against drinking it, what kind of double-standard life is that?

We all know that Jesus was perfect, and never committed a single sin - neither did He ever Encourage others to sin - so then i'm sorry to say but your argument is terribly innacurrate dude...

[Canadian, eh?]

Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the law and in the law it didn't say that you couldn't drink. He HADN'T started to teach yet. When he did start teaching , I could make a similar staement like you and say well why did he teach a different doctrine than that of the law, since he followed the law? Since now we are free of the law and are not burdened by it.

[ancabanca]

ALL THAT BEING SAID, I just have to add, in Romans Paul states that anything that appears doubtful to you you should avoid, as it is sin for you who doubts... now, if you're someone troubles their minds and hearts with this question, my suggestion to you is that you avoid it...

Romans 14:19-

19 Let us then pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. 20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for any one to make others fall by what he eats; 21 it is right not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that makes your brother stumble. 22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God; happy is he who has no reason to judge himself for what he approves. 23 But he who has doubts is condemned, if he eats, because he does not act from faith; for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

GB.

[SaintJoe69]

ALL THAT BEING SAID, I just have to add, in Romans Paul states that anything that appears doubtful to you you should avoid, as it is sin for you who doubts... now, if you're someone troubles their minds and hearts with this question, my suggestion to you is that you avoid it...

Romans 14:19-

19 Let us then pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. 20 Do not, for the sake of food, destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for any one to make others fall by what he eats; 21 it is right not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything that makes your brother stumble. 22 The faith that you have, keep between yourself and God; happy is he who has no reason to judge himself for what he approves. 23 But he who has doubts is condemned, if he eats, because he does not act from faith; for whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.

GB.
Good advice. In other words, if you plan on committing an act in which may be questionable as to whether or not it is a sin to you, then do it in private, and not in public. :rolleyes:

[estyl]

Good advice. In other words, if you plan on committing an act in which may be questionable as to whether or not it is a sin to you, then do it in private, and not in public. :rolleyes:

I agree, because the real you is when it is just you and God in private where no else can see you but God.

[whoRu]

I doth concureth

[frau bula]

yes you can drink. if you are of age, and you dont get drunk and etc. so there are ifs involved

[Waste of Paint]

id rather not do it period to avoid sin and liver problems.. and even if its not a sin, id rather be safe than sorry.. i dont see a point it drinking anywas.... why drink alcohol when u can just drink water and not have to worry about weather or not its a sin? :) plus i was once told that even if it is proven to you something is not a sin in gods eyes, if your church leader.. pastor... sais it is.. then its considered a sin in gods eyes... therefre no matter wat u find in the bible about drinking... if ur romanian and go to a romanain church.. drinking is a sin.

[carina1387]

Duhul sfint won't stay if u drink... how do u wanna be christian without the holy spirit? on ur own?

[SaintJoe69]

id rather not do it period to avoid sin and liver problems.. and even if its not a sin, id rather be safe than sorry.. i dont see a point it drinking anywas.... why drink alcohol when u can just drink water and not have to worry about weather or not its a sin? :) plus i was once told that even if it is proven to you something is not a sin in gods eyes, if your church leader.. pastor... sais it is.. then its considered a sin in gods eyes... therefre no matter wat u find in the bible about drinking... if ur romanian and go to a romanain church.. drinking is a sin.
Duhul sfint won't stay if u drink... how do u wanna be christian without the holy spirit? on ur own?
Hmmm... I wonder where either of you are getting your information from, because I don't think we are reading the same Bible. :tut:

[Waste of Paint]

what part of that makes u say that saintjoe? n as far i was concerned there only one bible. :scratch:

[SaintJoe69]

id rather not do it period to avoid sin and liver problems.. and even if its not a sin, id rather be safe than sorry.. i dont see a point it drinking anywas.... why drink alcohol when u can just drink water and not have to worry about weather or not its a sin? :) plus i was once told that even if it is proven to you something is not a sin in gods eyes, if your church leader.. pastor... sais it is.. then its considered a sin in gods eyes... therefre no matter wat u find in the bible about drinking... if ur romanian and go to a romanain church.. drinking is a sin.
Blue: Hmmm... this is similar to the Catholics that believe that priests are able to resolve a person's sins. So, you are telling me that IF a pastor says something is a sin, then it MUST be a sin? :tut:

Green: If you are Romanian, then drinking is automatically a sin for you? No matter what I find in the Bible about drinking, even if it's the truth? You make this statement as though you are disregarding anything the Bible has to say about this issue, and putting it in the hands of Romanian pastors. Hmmm... I am not Romanian, but I beg to differ with you. How can you speak for all of the Romanian population in such a generalized manner? :tut:

Maybe I simply misunderstood you, based upon the way you worded your statements. :scratch:

[Waste of Paint]

regarding the blue: i was told that by a penti person from my church. i did not say the "priest" would be able to resolve a persons sins. I simply shared wat i was told.

regarding the green: no, but the romainan culture does say if u are christian u dont drink.

[dosescud]

regarding the blue: i was told that by a penti person from my church. i did not say the "priest" would be able to resolve a persons sins. I simply shared wat i was told.

regarding the green: no, but the romainan culture does say if u are christian u dont drink.


thats not true... i know many romanian churches that serve wine at communion instead of grape juice... so saying that if you're a romanian christian you don't drink would be false :twak:

[SaintJoe69]

regarding the blue: i was told that by a penti person from my church. i did not say the "priest" would be able to resolve a persons sins. I simply shared wat i was told.

regarding the green: no, but the romainan culture does say if u are christian u dont drink.
As doescud says, there are Romanian churches that actually serve wine for their "cina" services.

In regards to your posting, even if the blue highlights of your posting were something you only heard from someone else, you based the rest of your opinion and statements on it by saying, "therefore...", which is the similar to saying, "in conclusion...".

I was simply correcting the generalized statements made... no harm done. :)

[Matt]

thats not true... i know many romanian churches that serve wine at communion instead of grape juice... so saying that if you're a romanian christian you don't drink would be false :twak:

yea ive heard of some that serve wine as well..

but not one of them have i heard that serve it in a penticostal church..
and from what it seems our beloved bianca :kiss2: hasnt been to any other churchs than penticostal churchs, so dont blame her for not being exposed to that..
but from her point of view, yes most all penticostal churches say that drinking is a sin period...





now i havent read all these posts, but ive read a plenty amount from this thread and the older drinking thread,
and i have to ask this... i just have to..

this is for the people who always say 'oh but Jesus drank wine'

this isnt about how Jesus refused to drink wine.. but... rather,
what was considered wine back then?..
was this wine, actually just unfermented juice?
cuz i mean, for instance, (i dont know my bible verses very well).. but was it joeseph who was sold by his own brothers?, who could interpret dreams?..
he told the prisoner that he would gather the grapes for the wine, does anything in there say anything about that wine being fermented?, im not sure... and i know that wine takes longer than just a day to ferment, (which the prisoner was going to gather the grapes the next day and serve it)...
hope i didnt confuse anyone..

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st joe help me out bro.. :scratch: :scratch:

[SaintJoe69]

yea ive heard of some that serve wine as well..

but not one of them have i heard that serve it in a penticostal church..
and from what it seems our beloved bianca :kiss2: hasnt been to any other churchs than penticostal churchs, so dont blame her for not being exposed to that..
but from her point of view, yes most all penticostal churches say that drinking is a sin period...

now i havent read all these posts, but ive read a plenty amount from this thread and the older drinking thread,
and i have to ask this... i just have to..

this is for the people who always say 'oh but Jesus drank wine'

this isnt about how Jesus refused to drink wine.. but... rather,
what was considered wine back then?..
was this wine, actually just unfermented juice?
cuz i mean, for instance, (i dont know my bible verses very well).. but was it joeseph who was sold by his own brothers?, who could interpret dreams?..
he told the prisoner that he would gather the grapes for the wine, does anything in there say anything about that wine being fermented?, im not sure... and i know that wine takes longer than just a day to ferment, (which the prisoner was going to gather the grapes the next day and serve it)...
hope i didnt confuse anyone..

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st joe help me out bro.. :scratch: :scratch:
If the wine from the past was simply "grapejuice" as some believe, then it would not have an affect on people who drank, and would not make them "drunkards". If it was simply grapejuice, then what would be the "sin" in drinking unfermented wine aka grapejuice? :scratch:

Jesus turned water into wine. We all know the famous wedding story. Why would He provide people with something that would be considered a sin? It is not the simple act of drinking wine, but the fact that drinking it without moderation may cause you to become drunk, and lose your "common senses" and abilities to think properly. Whenever someone can not think properly, they usually become more vulnerable to other forms of sin through simple suggestion or pure stupidity.

[Sorin-Andrei]

Originally posted by sonialorena12
the Bible saids that we should not do what the world does. if the world drinks, we should not. Yes it is a sin.


yeah but doesn't the world do so many things that we do? watch TV? listen music? live in houses?

Does anybody here drink Coca-Cola or wear retailer-made Clothing? you know that the WORLD created these things, and that the WORLD drinks Coca-Cola and wear clothing made by people, why are we doing the same? "be not like the world", right?

like i've said before - it's not right to add more meaning to (or "filter") God's Word than there actually is. God's Word is perfect as it is, and does not require us to add our own layers of interpretation or "filters" to it... It's fairly clear in the Bible that there's no law condemning the drinking of Wine in Moderation - please lets not add things that are not there okay?

i gotta commend Steli on the response he gave - well done mate i enjoyed reading your post, and it shows much wisdom and insight.

[Matt]

If the wine from the past was simply "grapejuice" as some believe, then it would not have an affect on people who drank, and would not make them "drunkards". If it was simply grapejuice, then what would be the "sin" in drinking unfermented wine aka grapejuice? :scratch:

Jesus turned water into wine. We all know the famous wedding story. Why would He provide people with something that would be considered a sin? It is not the simple act of drinking wine, but the fact that drinking it without moderation may cause you to become drunk, and lose your "common senses" and abilities to think properly. Whenever someone can not think properly, they usually become more vulnerable to other forms of sin through simple suggestion or pure stupidity.


well think about this..
everyone expects the bible to be the same throughout..
its not written by the same people, as we know..
and these authors have different point of views as well as we do..
now think about it..
might one author think grapejuice should be called wine?...
and another, FERMENTED grape juice ONLY be called wine?..


im just saying..
look around.. the story seems to change around once in a while..
and one thing i cant really understand..
is, Jesus turned water into wine, yes... but, why would he make drunks, only get drunker...? would Jesus really do such a thing?, i think he just turned it into some great grape juice... because so many times have i understood that sqeezed grapes, turned into juice, were to be called wine

[SaintJoe69]

well think about this..
everyone expects the bible to be the same throughout..
its not written by the same people, as we know..
and these authors have different point of views as well as we do..
now think about it..
might one author think grapejuice should be called wine?...
and another, FERMENTED grape juice ONLY be called wine?..

im just saying..
look around.. the story seems to change around once in a while..
and one thing i cant really understand..
is, Jesus turned water into wine, yes... but, why would he make drunks, only get drunker...? would Jesus really do such a thing?, i think he just turned it into some great grape juice... because so many times have i understood that sqeezed grapes, turned into juice, were to be called wine
If you can find verses that show the people at the party were "drunk" when Jesus decided to turn the water into wine, then I might concur with you.

Here are some things to ponder:

Did the pharisees accuse Jesus of being a drunkard simply because he hung around them, and was associated with them in this manner, or because they actually saw Him drinking? :scratch:

What did the disciples drink at the last supper, and did Jesus actually partake in the drinking, or did He simply tell His disciples to "drink this in memory of Me"? :scratch:

[Matt]

What did the disciples drink at the last supper, and did Jesus actually partake in the drinking, or did He simply tell His disciples to "drink this in memory of Me"? :scratch:


something to go with that...

would he tell people that the wine was his blood, hopeing that everytime someone started drinking wine, they would think of Jesus blood

or would he even say that something alcoholic resembled his blood?

[SaintJoe69]

something to go with that...

would he tell people that the wine was his blood, hopeing that everytime someone started drinking wine, they would think of Jesus blood

or would he even say that something alcoholic resembled his blood?
"Drink this, in rememberance of me"... the wine, as you know, was symbolic of His blood, in the same manner that the bread was symbolic of His body. There are many religious denominations that continue with this practice of the bread and wine, in celebration and rememberance of Jesus. If this is truly a sin, then all of these churches and denominations are sinning, because of a command that Jesus gave. That would be ironic, would it not? :confused:

[Matt]

"Drink this, in rememberance of me"... the wine, as you know, was symbolic of His blood, in the same manner that the bread was symbolic of His body. There are many religious denominations that continue with this practice of the bread and wine, in celebration and rememberance of Jesus. If this is truly a sin, then all of these churches and denominations are sinning, because of a command that Jesus gave. That would be ironic, would it not? :confused:


it would be ironic,
but no one said the churches were sinning..
lol...


so bottom line..
you drink for the party of it, to get drunk and have fun, and be like all your friends...
its a sin..
..
anything else, is questionable :)

[danthebeachboy]

I drink water..

[belissima]

ok in the Bible Jesus is always talking about wine ..he drank wine with bread but He also said that ur body is not your own is a temple is your Creator's,so if u get drunk..u harm your body therefore u hurt God ..so yea u can drink but not to make it a habit i'd say special occasions pretty much

[SaintJoe69]

ok in the Bible Jesus is always talking about wine ..he drank wine with bread but He also said that ur body is not your own is a temple is your Creator's,so if u get drunk..u harm your body therefore u hurt God ..so yea u can drink but not to make it a habit i'd say special occasions pretty much
Special occasions is your exception to the drinking debate? :lol2:

I'm sorry, but it would have been more logical if you agreed with other people and said that drinking is acceptable as long as you do not get drunk, but it was funny when the exception you gave to this was that a person should not drink unless it was a "special occasion", which could be very loosely defined and interpreted. :rofl:

[KrazyEuro]

ok in the Bible Jesus is always talking about wine ..he drank wine with bread but He also said that ur body is not your own is a temple is your Creator's,so if u get drunk..u harm your body therefore u hurt God ..so yea u can drink but not to make it a habit i'd say special occasions pretty much


ah, Jesus never drank wine :bfro: