SEX... woo, love and relationships!!!!

[tenazrael]

Lets talk about sex shall we..... :D ok actaully what i mean lets talk about why its so important to wait till after marriage to have sex..... and how not to make all the bad decisions so many teens make one after another! And if even if you know not to have sex and don't plan too.... what do you tell your friends who aren't christians about why its so important not to have sex!

Follow this link to hear a sermon by a great speaker on this topic! (http://webcastingtechnologies.com/722/)

The above link should lead you to a christian american website where many romanian christians in atlanta go to. Its a great event and I wish such an event existed everywhere around the world for all christians and non. If you decide to go to this webpage, you should see a link that starts off the discussion called "Part 1 - The Secret to a Lasting Relationship > beginning of message at." If you have nothing to do or no inspiration to do so... at least check out the band cause they are awesome... oh and its all video too!!!!!

[crustyorez]

Sex does alot to a person, emotionally, physically, and spiritually. It was created by God to create a more intimate union between spouses.
I have a friend, a dear friend of mine that I grew up with since I was 13. He was a good boy, until one day he meet a girl at the age of 18, that gave it up. After that he was addicted, having experienced something he never had before, sex became like a drug to him, and he wanted it constantly. His perception of woman became demoralized, and as everything else in his life, it pretty much went down. Now 5 years later, I'm seeing how God wants to work in his life, how he's quit smoking, quit drinking (he did none of these before he had sex), and how he's stopped having sex. Its tough for him to escape it now, he wants to dearly and I speak with him often and witness to him on how he can be victorious in Christ. But it is something difficult, because when one lives in sin, not only are they commiting a sin, but their perception and conception of morals, beliefs, and for males, the way they view woman completely changes. This is a sad fact and a very difficult one to overcome. Only God can work his hand on that. There is so much more to say.

God Bless

[KiSsMeDoOrK17]

if you make sex a part of your life 24/7 and forget about other things and that is all you look forward to everyday then thats a problem...

[martina]

sex should definately be between spouses because sex is something wonderful to expirence if you wait till after marriage because sex should not be abused it should be a way of expresing your love for your spouse. And in many cases sex results in pregnances and i would rather share the experiance of having a child with my husband because that way the child will be blessed by God. I think you should tell the non christians that they are going to ruin their lives physically, emotionally, and maybe even spiritually if they go around sleeping with people. Personally i think you dont marry sombody because you can hardly wait till you can have sex no i thing you marry the person because you love who they are as a person not for their looks. Chine face asa se inshala (they decieve themselves)

[Olgutza]

I would like to say that Yes sex is something that is addictive and can keep you in chains l:whip: like many other things But what we need to realize is that sex is a much much bigger problem than being addictive... its something that can affect the REST OF YOUR LIFE.... i hope that if you are interested in this subject you followed the link to hear the speaker who can say this much better than i can. We've always learned that sex is a bad thing :tut: but its acaully a GREAT thing if its done at the right time. Dont underestimate the consequences of sin.... even though God loves His children He will not hesitate to punish us and when we find ourselves in that spot where its too late to turn back :wall: we'll be wishing we never tested that "how far can i go without going all the way" line. .. please be carefull with yourselves. Your precious to God and someday you can find a person who will value you as much as Him.

[Nisi]

hey tenazrael...ya i went to last weeks sermon, and i agree it was awesome! i didnt get to go yesterday, but i will download it...and those of u who dont live in atlanta DOWNLOAD IT..i guarantee u'll get a lot from it!!...by the way, cine esti tenazarael? hehe..just curious...k take care everyone!! :)

[ACE]

POSTING THE LINK WAS A GREAT IDEA! I

LOVE ALL THAT YOU GUYS HAD TO SAY, I COULDN;T HAVE SAID IT BETTER MYSELF! MY YOU ALL SHARE YOUR IDEAS WITH THE REST OF THE ROMANIAN YOUTH, SO THAT THEY MANY GROW IN WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING, ABOUT THE REAL ISSUES ON SEX.
GOD BLESS YOU ALL, STAY STRONG

[kramer]

im just ganna wait till im married....w waste it with someone ur not ganna spend of ur life with......:D

[WiNDOWLiCKER]

YUP.....TRUE LOVE WAITS. =)

[jakota]

I absolutely agree! I too went to this series(which still goes on for the next two weeks if you live in Altanta) on "lasting relationships. If you've never been, PLEASE do yourself a favor and check out the link! God bless....:lam:

[CanaryGood]

i didnt go to the service... and i have a chance to hear it... but i have always believe that sex was god gift to a man and women bound together in holy matromony... well it says so in the bible. therefore sex is probably the most amazing thing ever... but we humans in our sinful nature have a way to turn gods blessing and gifts into perverse, tainted acts. therefore im all for everyone abstaining and recieving the gift in its due time.
c'mon, why jump the gun when by doing that it just messes everything up.

[tenazrael]

ah man everything I just wrote got deleted cause I accidently went back one page...... :( , anyway nisi its me Nathanael.

Ah I think this is awesome to see such a response to this topic, but my main point here isn't to state the obvious but to find out if people are truly aware to the consequences!

Heres a fact to consider!
17% of girls plan to have sex! 83% of girls got caught up in the moment.

It takes more than self control to keep from having sex if the occasion arises. Only with strength from above can you keep from having sex! For us christians, we don't go out and have one night stands. But many times we are tempted by the thought that well he or she loves me and I love them so why not express our love in a physical way. <--- hmmm you might say that hey I'll never say that cmon but I tell you the truth.... I've spoken to so many of my friends (sadly not christian) who said that they said the same thing before they had sex and everyone of them had a failed relationship. It is nearly impossible to find a couple who has had sex before marriage who are still together!!!!!! Check out that link people that I mentioned above and listen to what the guy has to say cause it will only save you. And if you are like some who have said that, but I haven't had sex yet.... then keep in mind everything he has said because I can promise you, you will be tempted!

ps. Satan never sleeps <-- im sure you've heard that before right?!?! ...its true!

[SaintJoe69]

Hmmm... interesting comments... especially since I know the characteristics of the people they come from. JK

Nicely said all. Remember that your body is the temple of Christ. Don't abuse it.

God Bless.

[Iacob]

look at these atlanta people bustin out!! hehe

well my idea is like most christians and that is sex is something that should be waited upon. From what i see most of these comments are from people who have not gotten married yet and cannot tell about the actually success of waiting until marriage. Can we get some married peoples input on why it is important to keep this law holy?!

>>Emy

[cricket]

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[SaintJoe69]

Emy,

Just because these people are not married yet, does not mean that their comments are unsubstantial. I will not question whether or not they may have already had sex. Maybe that is what they are basing their views on. I hope not. They are probably basing their opinions mainly on what they have been taught as good Christians, and partly on what the speaker, Chip Ingram (a married marriage counselor) has spoken about during the last two sessions of an ongoing series on Sex, Relationships, and etc.

Of course you can request some input from married people, but what married people on here will tell you honestly whether or not they have had sex before marriage? Most likely, they will tell you the same thing, that you should wait until after marriage to have sex. Is this because they have had bad experiences with sex before they got married? Maybe. Maybe not.

Does this make any sense, or would you like me to add another 3-4 paragraphs of nonsense regarding the subject? I'm good at this.

[SaintJoe69]

Nathanael,

Where did you get those stats from? 17% of girls plan to have sex? What does that mean, exactly? Is that anything like shopping for shoes? And the other 83% who get caught up in the moment. I'm sure they were all planning on having sex, it's just that it happened to some sooner than they thought. What about the percentage of the ones who never planned it? The ones who get raped? I know they never planned that, and I'm sure that a percentage of those were not caught in any moment, other than disaster and emotional turmoil for life.

I like your play of words on your next paragraph "It takes more than self control to keep from having sex if the occassion arises."

I also liked your last comments... "And if you are like some who have said that, but I haven't had sex yet.... then keep in mind everything he has said because I can promise you, you will be tempted!"

I thought you would have ended the statement with something like... And if you are like some who have said that, but I haven't had sex yet... I know you're lying. LOL

Regardless of your play on words, you make a very strong point. The first video of the Sex and Relationship series had a very strong message which was presented extremely well. I am only disappointed that I couldn't convince more people to attend that first session.

Hey Emy, Esty, Lidia, and the rest of you in Atlanta... you know who I'm talking about. We just went ice skating last Saturday. If you want to get together and do something, how about coming to 7:22 this next Tuesday? I was told that your youth group really does nothing on Tuesday nights anyhow.

Give Nathanael a call if you want to go and meet up somewhere.

(:oP eace to All

[tenazrael]

hey now.... i got no more minutes on my phone!!!! jk ah but yes I got the 17% from Chip Ingrams sermon Tuesday night and he wasn't referring to those who plan to have sex at some point in there lives as compared to those who are raped (I think those people should die by the way... but oh well another thread i guess) but I think he was referring to those girls who planned that they would have sex that night or that day or whenever it was as compared to the girls who they started making out or something and then things just went from their and instead of stopping, they just got caught in the moment and kept going... and then they had sex! gees what a way to put it!

[SaintJoe69]

LOL... that's a funny way of putting it. What do you mean that you think those people should die? The ones who get raped? Wow! That's a harsh punishment after such an already traumatic incident.

I'm telling you, if any girl plans on having sex, it must be like going out shopping for shoes to her. It's the way she's dressed, trying to tempt and invite guys. Some call this a tease. Have you ever heard a guy say, "Well, if you plan on teasing, you better plan on pleasing." Probably not, because I just made that up, but it ryhmes nicely. C'mon, there are plenty of girls in our church that look great without having to wear clothing that is sexually teasing to guys.

[KiSsMeDoOrK17]

SanitJoe, why are you judging girls by the way they dress? Not all girls dress to tempt and invite guys. Some men have their own mind, they can sexually stimulate themselves by thinking about "mature things to do to a girl" and he pictures this in his head and he THINKS girls are trying to tempt him (them), when they really aren't. Don't get me wrong, there are a few girls that do dress like that to tease men sexually and that's wrong because both of you are sinning.

I have heard plenty of guys say such lines to a few of my girl friends and a few guys say it to me. It's really pathetic how some men just jump to conclusions when they see a girl with a short skirt (above the knees) and with a low cut shirt or a tight shirt...
Oh and here's an experience that happened to me. I was getting ready for church and it was pretty cold. I wore a skirt up to my knees, with black boots, and a black and white shirt, some guy from my church said "How much, and are you willing?". Now, what do you think of that? I didn't do anything wrong, I DIDN'T dress to tempt guys at all. I was dressed appropriate for church, nothing was revealing.That same night I talked to about 7 guys or so, and none of them made any sexual remarks, I think 3 of them said "You look great". I took that as a positive complement, not like the one I got from the other guy. I dress confident and professional and non hoochiefied I guess I should say. Everybody has their urges, but don't always blame it on women. Just because of men and their....you know what...

God Bless!!!

[SaintJoe69]

Hey, did you have fishnet stockings on with those boots? I'm sure those that said "You look great." probably had something else in their heads. LOL "hoochiefied"? I'm going to call Mr. Webster right now and ask him to add that into his book, if it's not already there. Why are you bashing that person that asked you "How much, and are you willing?" Maybe he was simply asking you "How much" were the boots? And whether or not you would be "willing" to help him shop for a pair for his girlfriend.

Gosh, don't go berzerk on me. I wasn't totally blaming girls for dressing the way they dress. Girls have their motives, and guys have their motives. It's all a game, and I'm just on the sidelines.

God bless you, too! No harsh feelings.

:saint1:

[tenazrael]

hahaha.... don't blame it on men and their you know what..... its a battle both sexes fight in which both are responsible.

and about earlier... yes sex offenders(rapists, child molesters, ect) I believe should die!

and finally that guy who made the comment to you KissMeDork17 obviously wasn't too mature, either that or maybe where he comes from girls normally wear dresses to their ankles, but the fact that he said "are you willing" shows his low character!

and finally, it was the speakers quote SaintJoe, and I think what he meant didn't go as far as you put but I have this feeling you know what I'm talking about and your only givin me a hard time.... but that is a very good point that is made too though! girls do tend to wear clothing that is inappropiate that will catch the eyes of any guy and make his mind wander! Skirts have become shorter and shirts have dropped lower around the neck and all because of our society and its pathetic lack of standards. I personally have nothing wrong with short skirts... in fact I think they look totally great on some girls but at the same time I'm sure you girls are mature enough to realize when to wear them! and no wearing a short skirt to a public place filled with guys isn't a very smart idea..... especially if your not married, because in truth, that in itself can lead to sex with the "love" of your life!

[SaintJoe69]

Hey! I have nothing against short skirts myself... unless I'm forced to wear one. ;) Of course I'm just giving you a hard time. That's what I usually do when I express my opinions. I agree with tenazrael... Short skirts "look totally great on SOME girls", but that does not mothers and grandmothers should be wearing them. LOL *Not the emphasis on SOME!!!

[Credinta]

That issue is such a temptation nowadays, read Hebrews 13:4 about marriage and the privileges that come along with it. Look at s*x like a privilege, when you were 16, you got the right to drive a car, it doesn't mean that before 16 you didn't dream about getting behind the wheel, but you resisted until you proved that you were responsible enough to drive the car. S*x is a responsibility, if done at the right time, it has wonderful consequences, but if done at the wrong time, you will not only be causing yourself pain, but also a child will suffer knowing that they were created out of wedlock, if there is one involved. There are lots of things that people can do that won't place them into uncomfortable situations, steering clear of drugs and alcohol are the best ways to protect yourself as well as surrounding yourself with Christian friends. When you do get married, all the sacrifice will be worth it because you are saving yourself for the one person you truly love and want to enjoy the ppositive consequences of your relationship with.

[61leumas]

There are lots of risks and dangers associated with having sex before marriage...and even though many ppl don't know them, most ppl don't care at all...i personally am holding off forever cause i am going to be single for life...and even though sex is considered original sin it is perfectly acceptABLE IN A UNION BETWEEN 2 MATES THAT ARE OF OPPOSITE SEX......and about the whole thing with getting caught up in the moment...the best way to avoid that is avoid getting to intimate....it may seem kind nasty and weird but if you got to make out then do it public where ppl can stop you from getting to butt naked and carried away...and as for those ppl who must get sex through rape..they should all die , a slow painful death...

[tenazrael]

Originally posted by 61leumas
...and as for those ppl who must get sex through rape..they should all die , a slow painful death...

can i be in charge!!!!!!!:whip:

[NeXuS_21]

wow a pretty direct subject.... :) definetly after marriage....nu vreau sa-mi pierd mantuirea http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-003.gif

[SaintJoe69]

Don't get too intimate? Intimacy involves love. Sex and intimacy don't really have to rely on each other. You can have intimate feelings for a person without ever having sexual feelings for that same person. Please don't mix "intimacy" into this soup with the subject of improper sexual relationships.

:saint1:

[KiSsMeDoOrK17]

[
I can state that you are being very narrow-minded. For your information, I did not have fishnet stockings with those boots, and if I did, no man should give such a remark. And for all I know, "How much, and are you willing" means hey how much do you charge to have sex, and if I'm willing to, so quit being dumb and saying he was probably thinking how much the boots where and if I were to be willing to help shop with him. And let me add, he licked his lips!! And the guy has no girlfriend PERIOD.

Didn't you just caterorgize women as being a temptation to men because of how they dress? Yeah, you are right both sexes have their motives to dress how they like etc. But when you are dressing professional and somebody says such a remark to you, and you didn't dress to tempt, I take that as a negative comment and I get offended. It's really not a game though.

God Bless you, too! No harsh feelings:thfro: :thfro:



QUOTE]Originally posted by SaintJoe69
Hey, did you have fishnet stockings on with those boots? I'm sure those that said "You look great." probably had something else in their heads. LOL "hoochiefied"? I'm going to call Mr. Webster right now and ask him to add that into his book, if it's not already there. Why are you bashing that person that asked you "How much, and are you willing?" Maybe he was simply asking you "How much" were the boots? And whether or not you would be "willing" to help him shop for a pair for his girlfriend.

Gosh, don't go berzerk on me. I wasn't totally blaming girls for dressing the way they dress. Girls have their motives, and guys have their motives. It's all a game, and I'm just on the sidelines.

God bless you, too! No harsh feelings.

:saint1: [/QUOTE]

[KiSsMeDoOrK17]

Originally posted by Rebel Dork
i totally agree with what you just said kissmedoork...you can't blame us chickas for your thoughts or your ideas and wants...GET OVER IT.



EXACTLY!!!! FINALLY SOMEBODY SEES MY POINT:clap1:

[SaintJoe69]

Rebel Dork, I hope that you are a female. I would think that you have serious problems if you were not and you had the "coolest fishnets".

And I'm sorry, but it's just not the guys that think that way. As tenazrael said earlier, it is both of the men and women.

I am not sure if you checked out that link that was originally posted when this Thread was started, but yes, females are looking for the same characteristics that guys look for, too.

Check out the video link, and I think you'll agree that most of what he says is true about dating and relationships these days.

:saint1: God Bless!

[jakota]

Quote: "WAX IN, WAX OUT".
compliments of Karate kid

aweleo. you guys need to relax. Take a valium or something. And no, i'm not trying to promote drug abuse . la la la bye bye. :baby:

[Olgutza]

jakota!!!! i love you...:clap1: you always know how to make me laugh :lol2: and you always know what to say (maybe cause its exactly what i wanted to say :bfro: ) no wander were friends. :twak:

hahahah these icons are the best :laf:

[tenazrael]

whoa people lets settle down.... ok good!

I hate to pick on you Rebel Dork cause you love everyone and thats so nice, but um... when you say you can't blame girls for the wants that guys feel and what they think, thats not necessarily true. Example: I worked at Champs when I was 17 and some woman came in with the shortest skirt... on top of that, she had no underwear on and the reason I know is because the mirrors in a shoe place shoot up and I swear she did what she did on purpose.... now thats an extreme I know but I've even seen girls come to church with very low v-neck shirts where their magnificent chests were about to bust out.... obviously a guy is gonna feel something when he sees something like because if he didn't, you'd think he was gay. On the other side though, you have sexual perverts who well, doesn't matter what your wearing... they are just perverted and say perverted stuff! Which all goes to the point that both guys and girls can wear clothing that will make the person of the opposite sex think certain thoughts.... and if you live in San Fran... be careful guys... I never knew what it felt like to be looked upon like I was a piece of meat until I went there!!!!!! sheesh.. anyway back to the topic.... read my next post!!!!!

[tenazrael]

ok well after reading the thread on "love" and the comments from this thread I have come to a conclusion.

1st... so many people have so many different ideas on what love is. So what makes your definition of love the correct one!?!? Wow, how do I know that I love a person and that she loves me the same way back. She may have an entirely different view on love than I do. So why would I have sex with someone whom I'm not married too who I may not actually love although I think I do or who might not actually love me although they think they do! My point here is that when your not married, there is no commitment and there is no guarentee that your in love at all so why would you have sex with that person. At least when your married... they are committed to you and they won't leave you whether or not you are both in love or not!

Some of you may be thinking why is this thread here because we all know that we need to wait till after marriage. One of my main reasons for putting this thread here was to give people so many examples on why to wait or if you already have had sex... why you should stop now and save it till you are married. Specifically its more for the girls because well girls seem to always be strong at first and then over time, they just give in to us guys! And us guys need strong girls cause well we are the weaker sex and we tend to give in so much easier than girls do!

[tenazrael]

Originally posted by Rebel Dork
oh ya haha so how does it feel being a piece of meat? not a very good feeling huh...haha :).

:( no doesn't feel good at all... i actually got scared lol!

but remember temptations will always be there and it takes time to grow strong enough so that such temptations don't win... and I'll admit I'm not the strongest tool in the shed...... :lam:

[SaintJoe69]

"At least when your married... they are committed to you and they won't leave you whether or not you are both in love or not!"

... beep beep beep beep ... NEWS FLASH... We bring you this update from the Reels of Life...

Studies show that, and we all know for a fact, that this statement is far from the truth. I am sure that each person who has posted a statement regarding this thread knows somebody who has gotten a divorce.

C'mon, tenazrael. I know this comment must have been a slip of the tongue (fingers, in this case). I know you don't really believe what you typed, right?!

... beep beep beep beep... This has been a special NEWS FLASH of reality to give you a big slap in the face and wake you up.

:saint1: says :tut: , :twak: Wake up!

[pennie]

what is so hard to understand if you have sex before you married its a sin so dont argue and get over it and if you do have it before you married then thats your problem its between you and god

[cammie25]

lol 61|eumas i like ur quote : "......and about the whole thing with getting caught up in the moment...the best way to avoid that is avoid getting to intimate....it may seem kind nasty and weird but if you got to make out then do it public where ppl can stop you from getting to butt naked and carried away..."

lol well u shouldnt always do that... there might be lil kids around and might give them a wrong view of stuff lol... but i guess thats one way to prevent it all lol... i never thought of that... lol... im never gonna do that public stuff... but i guess if u really dont have controll over urself... then... hehe jk..... i dont know.... but its a funny thought anyway... lol

~cammie~

[tenazrael]

yeah i know... it was late... thats my excuse... I didn't mean to say it like that.... just makin the point that when people are in teh realationship..... big chance both of them have different views of love.... so why would you have sex with someone who doesn't love you the way you love them.... if its actually love in the first place huh!!!!! oh and pennie.... everyone here understands its a sin... but so many people make the mistake of having sex anyway. the purpose of this thread is to help people build a foundation, a wall, a barrier or something so that if that moment arises when your all nice and cuddly with your special someone, that you don't give in... because sadly man teens today don't really think about the sinful aspect or don't care when they are caught up in the moment.... and so I'm trying to present the negative effects having sex before marriage will have on every relationship from here on out! Nothing turns off a person like the thought of getting AIDS or the thought of your future marriage partner having been used by so many people. Actually it disgusts me.... and well when I sit and hear about all the young teens (gees even 6th grade girls) going out and doing all kinds of garbage just cause its gonna make them cool, that scares me cause well I dont want to find out that my future wife when she was young got used by a bunch of losers for attention (girls tend to be naive like that) or I don't want to have daughter to have to deal with this kind of crap and if its this bad.... I guess I just want to be ready for any situation! Thats what the link is for! Its changed the way I think about sex and not just what you do with your partner but how sex is used in media today or anywhere we go and we as christians need to block all these sexual diversions because all they do is pull us away from God.

[SaintJoe69]

C'mon, people... if you don't like being a piece of meat, don't put up a for sale sign and put yourself on the market.

I used to love going to conventions because people said that I would meet a lot of new people. Well, that was true, but most of the people I met, I don't really keep in contact with.

What I realized after attending a few of these Romanian conventions is that it wasn't a "meet" market, but rather a "meat market". Both girls and guys would come to impress others, putting on their best outfits (FOR SALE... cheap meat), and acting like they normally do not act. I won't get into any details, but I know that some of you will agree with me on this one.

:saint1:

[NeXuS_21]

i luv ur point of view Tenazrael....

Plus girls shouldn't 4get how bad guys use girls

[NeXuS_21]

i luv ur point of view Tenazrael....

Plus girls shouldn't 4get how bad guys use girls

[tenazrael]

woo thanks AngelofFreedom21!!!

and hey everyone check out the link again because they have posted Tuesdays message for Jan 13 and they still have up the previous Tuesday message for Jan 6!

Website page where the links are to Videos are stored <- click me (http://webcastingtechnologies.com/722/)

[SaintJoe69]

Angel, don't get me wrong, but I think these days, guys get used just as much as girls do. In fact, ... nah, I better not say that one... well, I think that was enough.

Hey, Pennie, for your thoughts...

This is what a thread is for, discussion. Yes, we all know the general sins, but that doesn't mean that people don't make mistakes, and it sure doesn't mean that everyone is perfect like you.

"get over it and if you do have it before you married then thats your problem its between you and god"

... this seems a little harsh and selfish. You know, I'm not hoping that you get raped or anything, but wouldn't that put you in a situation of having sex before you're married? I hope that you change your views when you think about it in this manner. And if you want us to share your views, well, then I would say that if you get raped, "get over it... that's your problem, it's between you and God."

However, considering myself a christian, I would not think like that.

God Bless you, Pennie, and may He keep a safe watch over you so things like this would never happen to you.

:saint1:

[NeXuS_21]

lol...guys geting used :laf: nahhh rarely ,...if we were to take a poll i bet the # of guys that like to use girls would be higher

[SaintJoe69]

You're probably right. What guy is going to admit that he was used? C'mon, think about it. Guys, in general, have their macho image to uphold.

But when it comes to a girl, I couldn't tell you whether or not she would admit to being openly used.

:saint1:

[tenazrael]

hmmm actually angel, i know lots of guys who got used.... for example all them really nice guys.... gees when I was in high school I got used by girls all the time... i was like their stupid little pet and all because I'm just a really nice guy overall, but man every guy has got to stick up for themselves so you won't be seeing me as nice as I used to be.... maybe its just a defense mechanism... i mean you act nice, and the girl either thinks your hitting on her and gets mad or she fully takes advantage of your kindness and gets you to do her chores and in the end you get tossed aside like a dirty rag... and the moment the guy takes a stand for himself the girl doesn't talk to him anymore cause shes found another guy to do her dirty work!!!!! guys.... we can't use girls for much unless its physical in nature or to hook up with another girl which is also about the physical so overall i would say guys get used by girls more than girls by guys!

[SaintJoe69]

LOL... so, you feel like a dirty rag, eh?

[tenazrael]

hahaha well now that you mention it... !

[A&A]

everyone has dirty laundry man.

cursed is the one who puts his trust in man (or woman).

i.e. we dont looove them hoes

[umpalumpa]

I just notice at the top of the page, some of the comments were made towards 'non-christian' n that non christians do this n that, i am a non christian myself, and i can say i have a alot of respect for myself & in the decisions i make. Its very true, and i agree with :sex was god gift to a man and women bound together in holy matromony...! this is a Christian website, but lets not forget maybe non Christian people like myself also come in here n lets not assume that all 'non christians' are the same..if we think about it..I know alot of Christian people and i also go to their church n i can tell you 99% of the tineret who at church act like angels ..outside church they do things that i as a non christian dont do..and many other things..i agree with most of the comments posted here but i dont agree with the 'non christian' ..christian or non christian we should all b accepted & respected...n above all..not judge..let GOD judge us..thats all i had to say n if i dissapoint some ppl..sori :-s

..Umpa`lumpa

[tenazrael]

You are so right umpalumpa!!!! the difference between non-christians and christians is that we as christians have God's Word that teaches us morals and the fact that having sex before marriage is bad. Non-christians on the other hand don't follow many of those morals because well they don't follow the Bible and so there is no reason for them to worry about having sex before marriage because what is sin to them... absolutely nothing. The sad thing is there are so many non-christians out there who do have better morals than christians. I am hoping that this thread will open the eyes of any who read it so that the next time a girl or guy tries to use the whole I love you excuse so its ok if we have sex... their partner will be able to tell them that hey... having sex before we are married, before we are committed to one another means that we do not really love one another and the only reason we are together is for the physical and nothing more! when people say that true love waits..... they are right. if you really love someone and you want to have the best relationship in the whole world with that person you love, then wait and when you get married have sex all the time just do it when you and that person have made the decision to spend the rest of lives together.... and no, if he or she tells you they will spend the rest of his life with you but your not married, then don't fall for it because its funny how fast a persons feelings will change!!!!

ps. i hope we don't judge non-christians because the truth is.... everything i have seen or heard about people having sex has been within the christian youth. :(

[DreiBanatean]

hmmmm, if morals are so strong and all, why are there pocaiti that have sex before they are married???i think it comes from parents aswell, the way ur parents raise with u...core morals comes from Parents....come on, in today's stone age, i see half the youth day dream at church anywayz...and act all differently outside church....one thing is to read the bible and take everything in that u read, another is to put into practice what u are taught, and that intially comes from the way u are raised...most of my morals dont come from my church or where i went to church, but from my parents..Christian or non-Christians, there are non-Christians that have more moral thinking then alot of us Christians may have...and half these Christian festivals are pick-up time festivals.....which dont teach morals most of the time.

good bye!!!

[CanaryGood]

you can't blame your actions or actions of other solely on parents. we were all born knowing right from wrong.

[Olgutza]

Drei... get a girflriend or boyfriend (whatever the case) start making out and then tell me if at that moment your thinking about what your parents taught u when u were 5. Morals are one thing.... Wisdom that comes from above in times when u need it the most is another.

[CanaryGood]

lol when i got a boyfriend and we made out, i was always thinking what my parents told me! hahaha, im not even kidding. but no a lot of people arent like that and you have a good point.

[tenazrael]

opa!!!!!

[CanaryGood]

ahhhhhh! shshsh!

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by gabacious
lol when i got a boyfriend and we made out, i was always thinking what my parents told me! hahaha, im not even kidding.

Wow, this is very interesting. How many boyfriends have you had?

:saint1:

[CanaryGood]

nice edit saintjoe... well considering you were my 3rd. NINE!

[SaintJoe69]

LOL... hmmm, my parents always said if I don't have anything nice to say, then I shouldn't say anything so...

:saint1:

God Bless!

[CanaryGood]

okay only 1.

[Cossy]

i havent slept with anyone....and i plan to wait till i marry. :P

[umpalumpa]

No body is admitting to having sex n ofcourse i wouldnt expect that, after all it is a Christian site ! But i can bet more than half of u here... ARE! What kind of sex, there are alot of different types ye? it just depends what u call sex.

Toti se simt cu musca pe caciula asa ca ...im not even gonna bother commenting for the simple fact that some people on here put down the non-christian blah blah!! YE WE MAYB DO WRONG, BUT WE DONT HIDE BEHIND IT n thats most of the reason why you people see non christians like that ...unlike the rest who hide under covers n pretend to b angels in church n outside church its all forgotten...

N one more thing .........most of the christian youth who get married at 17/18/19/20....their wedding is "today" n tomorrow u hear shes already 2 months pregnant..whats that about..?! Thats why the majority of CHRISTIAN YOUTH is getting married at such young age, not because they believe in'sex after marriage'. but because they DO IT n are afraid of the consequences. Dont u think its true?! Think about how many weddings u went to this yr LOL :P

Umpalumpa...:alig:

[SaintJoe69]

Hey, willy wonka kid,

Where are you getting your so-called statitistics from, or are you just making this up from the candy at the chocolate factory? If you are basing all this information on the people you know, then that's a different story. Only you have control over the people you decide to associate with.

[Olgutza]

:somb: hmmm good point saint joe ..... :cool1:

[Andy]

hmm, I definately agree with Joe. umpalumpa, I'd replace your word "most" with "few".

[tenazrael]

well i do like the one point that umpalumpa made... sex is not just what when too peaple are ..... you guys know what im talking about.... sex can be anything from how we touch one another and what feelings arise from our actions.... and its often these feelings that lead people to go further.... a general rule of thumb... hands should never touch certain body parts nor should those parts of a person's body ever touch the private areas of another person!!!! and yes oral.... is considered sexual intercourse!!!!!

ps. cosmin or whoever the moderator is... if this is to graphic let me know and i'll delete it.... just trying to get a point across that sadly we made not think as being a big deal.... but if you ask girls in 8th grade who ride the school bus.... sadly it should be a big deal!!!!

[Scared of Sarmale]

tenazrael what about 8th grade girls who ride the school bus?...are you hinting that they do oral sex on the bus?

[SaintJoe69]

Man, ce grafica! LOL. What are you doing with the 8th grade school girls on the bus? And what exactly are you trying to state here?

Please clarify. More data needed for input.

[tenazrael]

Originally posted by Scared of Sarmale
tenazrael what about 8th grade girls who ride the school bus?...are you hinting that they do oral sex on the bus?

yeah.... i am :( ah everyone who knows me knows i love kids and well I spoken to alot of them and asked them both non-christian and christian about this cause someone brought it up to my attention and the answer i received really disturbed me! I just feel that parents and the church really need to get their act together and get the Word out about this subject!:help:

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by tenazrael
yeah.... i am :( ah everyone who knows me knows i love kids and well I spoken to alot of them and asked them both non-christian and christian about this cause someone brought it up to my attention and the answer i received really disturbed me! I just feel that parents and the church really need to get their act together and get the Word out about this subject!:help:

Hmmm... you should really phrase your comments carefully. Scared sarmale asked you about 8th grade girls on school buses, and then you start commenting on how you love kids, and how you were disturbed... that kind of scares me.

:eek:

[Mike&2I]

First of all, an authentic Christian should have the conviction that premarital sex is one of the things that bothers God the most. This body was aimed to be a temple of the Holy Spirit, not a tolerance house. I know that it is impossible to automatically counteract the physical impulses that the hormones dictate you when for instance you see a "tough" girl in a swimming suit, but here is where the spirit must come into place and absolutely counteract the temptations thrown by Satan. As about tenazrael (regarding his idea that the sex does not limit necessarily to the joining of two organs), I think he is right, but only in certain circumstances, when you actually have the inner desire to do that thing, and you try to satisfy yourself just through some "minor" touchings. Unfortunately, I have to recognize that I was that kind a person some good years ago (yes Irina, but it was before knowing you, so don't worry). Wouldn't be nice if we could be like Paul? That's what I would call an exceptional man.

I also saw a message which stated that intimacy is not the same with the sex. Partially agree. It's again about the context. Would you (the author of that message - sorry I forgot the name) be able to abstain yourself to have sex with the person that you want to spend intimate moments if the two of you would be almost naked, on a tropical-isolated island? If the answer would be affirmative, than I would consider that you wouldn't be liable to "give up". So in conclusion, the transition from intimacy to sin should be a very important aspect when you decide to spend some special moments with somebody. I even remember a joke:

The doctor tells the monkey to not eat any bananas for the sake of its health. "It's a deal, doctor!"
So the monkey goes and rests itself under the shadow of a banana tree. "I am not doing anything wrong, I am just protecting myself against the radiations", says the monkey. Then, it takes a step further and climbs into the tree, claiming that it likes to feel at height. Then it takes a banana, and peels it off. By the time it actually introduces it into the mouth, the doctor comes coincidentally and asks it why it didn't obey him, the monkey responds:
"I just introduced it into the mouth, I didn't mesticate it..." I hope you understood the analogy.

Be God's,
Mike

[SaintJoe69]

Wow! That ending sounds a little dirty for a christian joke. Thank goodness I know what that word "mesticate" means, and it's actually correctly spelled MASTICATE.

So, a joke about a monkey sticking a banana in his mouth, and a punch line stating, "I just introduced it into the mouth, I didn't masticate it."

And don't even say I have a dirty mind, because as I just pointed out, the joke seems to be slightly dirty in nature, not because I made it that way.

[Scared of Sarmale]

Originally posted by SaintJoe69
Hmmm... you should really phrase your comments carefully. Scared sarmale asked you about 8th grade girls on school buses, and then you start commenting on how you love kids, and how you were disturbed... that kind of scares me.

:eek:

hahaha...you know that's not what he meant. saint Joe :lol2:

oh and tenazrael I once heard someone saying that someone else was doing that on a school bus...

But I don't see how it could happen without everyone not knowing about it including the Bus driver...I mean I don't expect people to be silent if they see that going on.

[Scared of Sarmale]

Originally posted by SaintJoe69
Wow! That ending sounds a little dirty for a christian joke. Thank goodness I know what that word "mesticate" means, and it's actually correctly spelled MASTICATE.

So, a joke about a monkey sticking a banana in his mouth, and a punch line stating, "I just introduced it into the mouth, I didn't masticate it."

And don't even say I have a dirty mind, because as I just pointed out, the joke seems to be slightly dirty in nature, not because I made it that way.

Are you being serious? that is not a JOKE...there was nothing dirty about it. Just reread Mike2I whole post again.

[SaintJoe69]

C'mon... that stuff can happen close to the back seat of the bus. The bus driver has way too many things to pay attention to, much less, some kids getting it on in the back of the bus. Things of this nature happen in movie theatres, too. From what I am told by some Romanian elders, this was not necessarily a main purpose, but ONE of the purposes of movie theatres back in Romania. No wonder the parents don't want their kids going to the movies over here.

hehehe

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by Mike&2I
I even remember a joke:

The doctor tells the monkey to not eat any bananas for the sake of its health. "It's a deal, doctor!"
So the monkey goes and rests itself under the shadow of a banana tree. "I am not doing anything wrong, I am just protecting myself against the radiations", says the monkey. Then, it takes a step further and climbs into the tree, claiming that it likes to feel at height. Then it takes a banana, and peels it off. By the time it actually introduces it into the mouth, the doctor comes coincidentally and asks it why it didn't obey him, the monkey responds:
"I just introduced it into the mouth, I didn't mesticate it..." I hope you understood the analogy.

Be God's,
Mike

C'mon, he said he remembers this joke... and then he used the joke as an analogy.

[Scared of Sarmale]

but I would expect the kids that are sitting close to them to notice SOMETHING and let everyone else know...

yeah I heard it happens in movie theatres...but where's the proof?

[Scared of Sarmale]

Originally posted by SaintJoe69
C'mon, he said he remembers this joke... and then he used the joke as an analogy.

okay well whatever...but still it's not sick only if you think of it as symbolism or whatever

[SaintJoe69]

Hmmm... a person who needs proof to believe, eh? C'mon, I'm supposed to be the doubting Thomas around here (inside joke for those that know me).

What kind of proof do you need? The kind of proof that got Clinton in trouble with Monica, or just a snapshot of the incident?

And I'm not sure what the other kids were doing during this time... maybe they saw some cool car pass by, and said, "That's my car!" I don't know what kind of games kids play on buses these days. Maybe their parents taught them to mind their own business, otherwise they might get into trouble.

:D

[tenazrael]

basically while certain things go on in the back of the school bus... im the sure the kids aren't sitting there not thinking about it but im sure their not making enough noise to bring attention to what is going on so the bus driver would know about it. from what i've been told... when 2 kids go at it.... other kids begin to think that hey that is cool.... and from what i've been told, most girls give in only because they are told they will be cool or popular and if one girls is doing it so freely the other girls join in. all i know is that parents are too relaxed to what their kids do, and they shouldn't be!

[CanaryGood]

okay i rode the bus from kindergarden to 8th grade. it was like 7 years ago the last time i did but i remeber in 6th grade cassandra and greg made out on the bus everyday and they would always swap gum. in seventh grade more kids did it and they talked really dirty. in 8th grade not only were kids fooling around on the bus but they were having sex during camp field trips. i remeber a girl molly i knew from kindergarden having messed around with like three guys during westminster woods camp and she was crying and blah blah basically she got messed up there and she was sent to the hospital and we didnt see her for the rest of the year! SO YES it happens. and that was all in jr high... but itwas a bad jr high... i hated it. anyway... and saint joe... stop reading into everyones comments so negativly. holy!

[SaintJoe69]

Well, let me see, gabacious...

Let's take what you just said piece by piece and...

Nah, remember?

God bless.

[Andy]

as long as these discussions are held in a serious manner, there shouldn't be a reason for anyone to be offended. I think the title itself should give people a heads up about what's be talked about here! :D

Hmmm... a person who needs proof to believe, eh? C'mon, I'm supposed to be the doubting Thomas around here (inside joke for those that know me).

eh, we need more people like you to get us thinking!...for the purpose of building our faith.

[Mike&2I]

Originally posted by SaintJoe69
Wow! That ending sounds a little dirty for a christian joke. Thank goodness I know what that word "mesticate" means, and it's actually correctly spelled MASTICATE.
So, a joke about a monkey sticking a banana in his mouth, and a punch line stating, "I just introduced it into the mouth, I didn't masticate it."
And don't even say I have a dirty mind, because as I just pointed out, the joke seems to be slightly dirty in nature, not because I made it that way.

What the heck it's going on over here. Would you please indicate what is obscene in this anectode?

If by analogy you understood that the banana was supposed to be interpreted as a genital organ, than without any offence, I am afraid that your mind is quite perverted.

The story was alluding to what I have said prior to it, more specifically, intimacy's potential danger of deriving in an actual sexual act. I am sorry if I have been too subtle.

And could you please tell us honestly what do you insinuate by the statement "C'mon, he said he remembers this joke... and then he used the joke as an analogy."? This time, I really have no clue, so maybe you can clarify my dillema.

People should read more careful when they make remarks about others.

Take care,
Mike

[Scared of Sarmale]

Originally posted by SaintJoe69
Hmmm... a person who needs proof to believe, eh? C'mon, I'm supposed to be the doubting Thomas around here (inside joke for those that know me).

What kind of proof do you need? The kind of proof that got Clinton in trouble with Monica, or just a snapshot of the incident?
what I mean is I only heard that innapropriate things are going on in Movie theaters from two people. I don't believe everything I hear but before I make my decision on the matter I would need more testimonials :bfro: from people who have noticed it happening
And I'm not sure what the other kids were doing during this time... maybe they saw some cool car pass by, and said, "That's my car!" I don't know what kind of games kids play on buses these days. Maybe their parents taught them to mind their own business, otherwise they might get into trouble.

:D

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by Scared of Sarmale
Are you being serious? that is not a JOKE...there was nothing dirty about it. Just reread Mike2I whole post again.

Mikey,

Sarmale said that this was no JOKE, so I merely quoted you where you said "You even remember this joke:".

So, where did you get lost? Did the bus driver drop you off at the wrong stop?

:scratch:

[Mike&2I]

Originally posted by SaintJoe69
Wow! That ending sounds a little dirty for a christian joke. Thank goodness I know what that word "mesticate" means, and it's actually correctly spelled MASTICATE.

So, a joke about a monkey sticking a banana in his mouth, and a punch line stating, "I just introduced it into the mouth, I didn't masticate it."

And don't even say I have a dirty mind, because as I just pointed out, the joke seems to be slightly dirty in nature, not because I made it that way.

Saint Joe, I a m not intrigued about the rsponse of scared of sarmale, but rather by yours(particulalry the one from above). Please, point me out which are the aspects that make my anectode/joke to be "dirty in nature".

[oanabomboana]

Originally posted by KiSsMeDoOrK17
if you make sex a part of your life 24/7 and forget about other things and that is all you look forward to everyday then thats a problem...

Even if you don't make "sex" part of your life 24/7, and it's just once in a while, then that's a problem too....
not only when you make it part of your life 24/7 and when you forget about other things and that is all you look forward to everyday.
You make it sound like it's a problem only when it's 24/7....nu uh:tut:

[MaRK!]

Originally posted by Mike&2I
I even remember a joke:

The doctor tells the monkey to not eat any bananas for the sake of its health. "It's a deal, doctor!"
So the monkey goes and rests itself under the shadow of a banana tree. "I am not doing anything wrong, I am just protecting myself against the radiations", says the monkey. Then, it takes a step further and climbs into the tree, claiming that it likes to feel at height. Then it takes a banana, and peels it off. By the time it actually introduces it into the mouth, the doctor comes coincidentally and asks it why it didn't obey him, the monkey responds:
"I just introduced it into the mouth, I didn't mesticate it..." I hope you understood the analogy.
,
Mike


terrible joke.

[Archangel]

explain the ANALogy....before I go nutts...till then whatever it was joke or an aborted joke...it sucked...!

[oanabomboana]

So what happenes to those guyz and galz who have fallen into temptation and have done "it" , but repented.
Every one seems to be talking as if they are all perfect, and oh don't do it...well you all don't know each other personally, so what happens if someone did sin in that way ?
Does that mean their life is over, and they can not find a Christian spouse to marry ?
Don't they deserve a second chance ?
If Jesus Christ died for all sins and God still loves each and everyone, maybe mankind should be a little more accepting don't you think? Cause no body is perfect, but inside there is a great person, but is trapped because others can't get passed "it".
I'm reading a book"the purpose driven life" by RIck Warren.
In chap. 2 it sais - we are products of our past, but we don't have to be prisoners of it - .
GOd specialized in giving people a fresh new start. He turned a murderer named Moses into a leader , and a coward named Gideon into a courageous hero.
the bible says - what happiness for those whose guilt has been forgiven!..What relief for those who have confessed their sins and God has cleared their record - .

Anyway...that's all I really wanted to say.....basically who here believes in second chances, and who is willing to accept a person with such "baggage" you may call....I know that's probably getting too personal, but I guess anyone here can speek their mind.:D

[Scared of Sarmale]

ha ha...Mike2I used that little story to illustrate that we shouldn't play around with sin. The monkey keeps getting closer and closer to breaking the promise that he gave his doctor to not eat. Until he is chewing on the banana...and all along he makes these little excuses for his behavior...that it's okay what he's doing since he isn't eating it yet...

does this help all you people who don't get it?

[MaRK!]

dang oana. touch question..
personally, i cant say. most people, i think, would find it hard to accept someone who didnt maintain the same level of morals (or purity?) that they themselves have.
then again, one part doesnt make a whole, and one mistake doesnt define a person's character.
i think it would have to come down to individuals.. getting to really know the other person, who they are, what they believe.. and then, if willing, to look past their mistakes and see them for who they are now.
wuchyOO think??

[Archangel]

the dude or dudette that did the dirty has to tell their significant other...be honest and if it's all forgiven then it's all gravy baby...

[oanabomboana]

So Mark,

As you can see I like to ask those difficult questions that many go around, and pretend they are all perfect but they forget to realize not everyone is "perfect" like them...I like to see things from a different point of view and discuss them out in the open.
And see what every one's thought is on it.

Some don't ask those hard questions, because they are afraid people will look down on them, and think...oh I don't want them to think it's me I'm talking about...you know what I mean...
I really don't care if other's think negative about this.
I just want to carry a conversation and see what others think on the topic.

You are right, one part doesn't make a whole, and one mistake doesn't define a person's character.

But let me ask you this....or anyone else who is reading this, who is willing to participate in this conversation

would you rather know upfront about it?
Or, get to know that person first as to who they are, before you know the "mistake" ?

Cause what I'm thinking is that if you know straight upfront about"it", people are so hard headed that as soon as they hear, that's it, I don't want to know you any longer, you don't know me...that kind of attitude. You know what I mean.?

[Archangel]

just as long as no dissease are involved ...and a change has occured... I don't care to know... but I'll say it only once... don't cross me...!!!

[oanabomboana]

...and Archangel,

yes be upfront, but let's say....you haven't met your "significant other" , it is yet to find out whom that person may be,

but when you do find someone would you rather wait, until they get to know you , or tell them upfront from the beginning.

I don't want to use "you" as the person here.
But if you meet this girl who's not so perfect, which would you prefer? That's all

[oanabomboana]

Originally posted by Archangel
just as long as no dissease are involved ...and a change has occured... I don't care to know... but I'll say it only once... don't cross me...!!!

Then that's great, but I think later on you may need to know ....you know what I mean? I appriciate you being honest, and open minded, thanks for being part of this conversation

[MaRK!]

i'd rather we spent some time knowing each other first. i think that would be best. its like.. i want to get to know yOU first and who YOU are, not the mistakes you've made. and then in time it's only fair that she knows my past and i know hers.
THEN you put it all together and decide if it'll work out or not. nu?

[CanaryGood]

honestly, if its mistake and if they have repented i wouldnt think theyd tell just anyone about a mistake they regret. some people cant handle stuff like that... and i wouldnt want to tell just someone something so intimate about me if i didnt know they could handle it. nor would i want someone to tell me something that big when i didnt really know them... because i might not be able to swallow it. visa versa. basically id rather get to know them, then be told and go from there. im with you mark_m.

[oanabomboana]

yes Mark, ai dreptate.

[SaintJoe69]

I just brought up a question in another thread, which I thought would be good for this thread, too.

"Is sex before marriage a sin?" basically the question behind this thread.

This is my question: Eve was created specifically for Adam by God, but they never had any official marriage ceremony, at least not one that we are familiar with in today's understanding of the word "marriage". So, does that mean that Adam and Eve sinned by having sex before marriage?

Ponder that for a moment... :scratch:

[SaintJoe69]

P.S. According to some of the other threads, some people (hint hint: novellation :D ) think that if it doesn't say something in the bible, that means that I made it up... that it was "invented".

Well, my bible says that Adam knew Eve. Unless you want to intrepret that into your own ideas, the word "knew" does not mean that they had a marriage ceremony. :D

[Mike&2I]

Originally posted by mark_m
terrible joke.

Sunt profund imprsionat de aprecierea ta (inutila de altfel), insa in momentul in care am scris acea anectoda eram in criza de timp (deoarece eram la o biblioteca publica), si nu am putut gasi cuvantul potrivit. De altfel am si denumit acea naratiune ca fiind de fapt o "anectoda", intr-un mesaj ulterior.

In concluzie, imi pare rau ca nu te-am facut sa zambesti, dar nu aveam acest scop.

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by mark_m
i'd rather we spent some time knowing each other first. i think that would be best. its like.. i want to get to know yOU first and who YOU are, not the mistakes you've made. and then in time it's only fair that she knows my past and i know hers.
THEN you put it all together and decide if it'll work out or not. nu?

After my comments on Adam and Eve previously, are your comments related in the sense of the word "know" or "getting to know" someone?
:scratch:

[Mike&2I]

Originally posted by Archangel
explain the ANALogy....before I go nutts...till then whatever it was joke or an aborted joke...it sucked...!

Fat-frumos cu ochii in soare,

Cred ca ar fii cazul sa-ti pui niste ochelari solari, deoarece se pare caci atat de eclipsat esti, astfel incat nu esti capabil nici macar sa receptionezi esenta unui mesaj. Omitand conotatia obscena a raspunsului tau (dar ma rog, cand stai intr-un veceu public, te obisnuiesti pana la urma cu mirosul, asa ca nu m-a afectat de loc), permite-mi sa te informez caci de fapt explicasem intr-un mesaj ulterior cum se aplica acea anectoda (ma rog, gluma avortata in imaginatia ta infantila) in contextul discutiei de pe forum.
Pacat de nationalitate...

Domnul sa fie cu tine,
Mike

[SaintJoe69]

Hey Mikey, how come you suddenly went totally romanian in your apologies and explanations?
:scratch:

[Mike&2I]

SaintJoe, your question regarding the officializing of marriage sounds intersting. Here is my opinion.

The purpose of this ceremony is to acknowledge the union of the two and to bind them in a sacre mutual commitment, right?
Well, I consider that God has already done that this task when He told them about their identities and when He "advised" them to perpetuate the humanity. He gave Adam and Eve a purpose on that brand new universe, a purpose that kept them together until the death separated them. Bassically, God has completely fullfilled the tasks that a contemporary minister would do, only that He has done it in an original way.

It's just my opinion, but I would be glad if you would have any comments on it.

God bless,
Mike

[SaintJoe69]

Mike,

It's a very good opinion; however, it would still be a presumptious one because it does not specifically state that in the bible, according to Nollie.

Either case, Adam and Eve never wore a wedding band, did they? :D

[Mike&2I]

Originally posted by SaintJoe69
Hey Mikey, how come you suddenly went totally romanian in your apologies and explanations?
:scratch:

Well, I wanted to offer to certain fellows the chance of comprehending my messages, since they appear too complex for them. Hopefully, now they will not object that my messages are not intelligible, and implicitly, consider them "terrible" or "aborted" jokes. :argue: :argue: :argue:

The time shall reveal if my method was efficient or not...

[tenazrael]

whoa people... man you guys really responded to this thread... nice! well i believe that if you haven't had sex before marriage... awesome, God's gonna bless your marriage like never before! if you have had sex before marriage, i definitely believe that God will give you a second chance no doubt about that!

i think the reason why God makes such a big deal about waiting till after marriage is because of how sex with someone who is not going to be our future husband or wife will affect our relationship with that person for the rest of our lives!!!!

check out this example! when a guy and girl have sex, its like two pieces of carboard glued together. when they break up pieces of both carboards are torn away and stuck to the other pieces. the more you have sex with someone before marriage, the more pieces of someone elses 'carboard' gets stuck to you! the day you finally get married, you glue yourself to the person you love who will spend the rest of their life with you but you and that person has to deal with all those pieces that you yourself has collected over time and in a sense you can't stick onto something strong enough when you have a bunch of 'baggage = carboard' in the middle!

see God loves us so much!!!! hes not telling us to not have sex because he wants to keep it from us! no he created sex as something incredible and all for us! hes telling us to not have sex before marriage so we don't screw up our own lives! like when your parents tell you not to eat so many cookies.... its not that they don't want you to enjoy cookies cause they are so good.... its because they want to keep you from becoming fat... <- hehe good analogy no? ah man i want some cookies now... ok im out here but think about that people!

ps. check out those links i posted on the first page. here they are again! the speaker is incredible and everything he has said about sex so far is going to open your eyes like nothing else

http://webcastingtechnologies.com/722/

[Blondie21]

i once read somewhere that if u dont wait until after ur married....u will regret it so much..and your marragie is likely not 2 work out....if u do have sex b4 ur married.....on your wedding night...u start 2 think about ur other partners and compare or wutever.


~When you have been deeply involved with someone through intercourse, you have given away something of your being that you can never get back. You can give away your virginity to only on person. Then if that individual leaves your life physically & emotionally, something of you goes, too. That's why you try to build a wall around your heart to protect what's left of it. ~

~When someone asks you to do something or pressures you, it is so much EASIER to say no to a PERSON that to face the displeasure of GOD.~ read that in a book


***when my non christian people ask me why i want 2 wait...i say "u know how every guy wants 2 marry a virgin...well i want 2 b that girl" or i say " A whore is remember for one night...but a LADY is rememebed FOREVER

-IOANA

p.s.
ladies....i recomend u read Kiss the Girls & Maded Them Cry

[CanaryGood]

i think that saving yourself isnt just about not having sex. i think people belittle other emotional/physical things... such as kissing. okay im not a prude but seriously... kissing IS a form of intercourse... basically being intimate with those of the opposite sex. whats everyone's take on that?
honestly i believe that you should avoid temptation at all costs, whether it be not to watch a certain movie, or not going to the certain party... and save yourself unconditionally.

[Nygel]

Originally posted by oanabomboana
.....
would you rather know upfront about it?
Or, get to know that person first as to who they are, before you know the "mistake" ?

Cause what I'm thinking is that if you know straight upfront about"it", people are so hard headed that as soon as they hear, that's it, I don't want to know you any longer, you don't know me...that kind of attitude. You know what I mean.?

You should only talk about serious topics like that if you both are thinking of getting maried. that's my opinion.

[oanabomboana]

That's true, only talk about that if both are thinking of getting married, but some I guess can be difficult because maybe they want to know straight from the beginning, that way they have a choice...to continue or not to continue

[SaintJoe69]

Originally posted by gabacious
kissing IS a form of intercourse... basically being intimate with those of the opposite sex. whats everyone's take on that?

Hmmm.... are you trying to say that any girl or guy that has been kissed or has done the kissing is no longer a virgin? Kissing is far from intercourse. There are two definitions of intercourse that relate to the context of this thread, according to Webster:

1: communications between individuals (syn. social intercourse)

2: the act of sexual procreation between a man and a woman; the man's *private is inserted into the woman's *private and excited until *physical happiness occurs.

So, the fact that you made this statement about "kissing IS a form of intercourse" is absolutely absurd. The only way that kissing could remotely be considered intercourse is if it started as kissing something, and advanced further to oral sex. I won't get into the details here, but your remark was hilariously. :whip: Granted, we all have the rights to our own opinions, this is mine.

*This was toned down by me so it would not offend others. If you want to know the actual words missing, look it up yourself.

P.S. Personal question: Have you kissed someone before (and I know if you have or not), and if you say yes, does that mean you are admitting to having intercourse before marriage according to your own definition???
:tut:

[CanaryGood]

oh my goodness. yes ive kissed one person. and no im not saying im not a virgin. what i am saying, is that in a sermon the speaker was saying that a tongue in a mouth other than its own, is a form of intercourse. i didnt look it up... but the truth is it is an intimate act. basically i think that because of the day in age we take things wat too lightly. why? because its on tv on the radio, in our books, at school at the work place. it becomes common place. i just think we should not only guard our pyhiscal virginity, but our mental and spiritual virginity. its not about who your kissing its about why you are. why do you hold someone close? because you care or because of whats burning in your loins. i understand being inlove causes many emotions and feelings but we all know how to indicate whether what is, is done out of want or out geniune appriciation and care.
i only meant to bring up another aspect of the thread. to shine light on the many kissing queens and kings... that although it isnt sex, and it still is a BIG deal.
or maybe it is just to me.

saintjoe... relax.

[SaintJoe69]

Ummmmm.... ummmmm... ummmmm... Oh, sorry, I was practicing my relaxing breathing methods... ;)

[SaintJoe69]

By the way, for those in the Atlanta area... tomorrow night is the last night for the study on why this thread was started in the first place... relationships.

It's at 7:22 at North Point Community Church around the Alpharetta location. If you can't come or you're not local, wait until about Thursday, and I'm sure tenazrael will post a link on here. :D

[tenazrael]

:( ah man that means the guy is gonna leave.... darn hes a good speaker.... nevertheless... yes i will post the link to the page and all the specific video links so you guys can all watch the sermon! if you all haven't seen it already.... do so, you have nothing to lose!!!!!!! and everything to gain ;)

[Archangel]

kk to oana... you're right... later is probably better than now... but it's the change I look for nonetheless...



and to mike...dude...eat my shorts...so I'm a simpleton now cause I don't understand all your romanian? I asked you a question tiny tim...and still say your joke sucked major toejam... I hope you realize how much of a prick you are... the mods will prolly delete this...but I hope you see it before they do... though you may be a walking thesaurus...you're about as bright as I am nice...!

[mangotango]

no dirty mind, you just saw the comparison.
graphic? yeah. but i see the point you're trying to make. people today are seriously pushing the boundaries on what is 'ok'. no doubt about that. i can only imagine how hurtful it is to have sex before marriage, to you, to your spouse; it affects a lot of people. i pray that it wont be the case with me.

God bless, Rachel

[boyeleven]

oh my virgin ears......

[tenazrael]

Guys...the last message on sex and relationships was posted on the website this week! Go to the URL below!
http://webcastingtechnologies.com/722/

If you are all are wondering what its about, its about how to have the most successful, wonderful relationship ever with the person you love. So for all of you out there who love someone, check out these messages cause they are awesome! Its the reason why I created this thread!

[MaRK!]

ey, ten, thats good stuff.

[SaintJoe69]

Man, did I miss some of the postings between archie, mike, oana, and tiny tim? :eek: Or did somebody just delete them?

Maybe it was in another thread that rolled over into this one. :scratch:
What happened? Or should I ask? :D

Yes, I have to check out that last session myself, because I showed up late at the actual thing. :wall:

[Archangel]

Originally posted by Mike&2I
Fat-frumos cu ochii in soare,

Cred ca ar fii cazul sa-ti pui niste ochelari solari, deoarece se pare caci atat de eclipsat esti, astfel incat nu esti capabil nici macar sa receptionezi esenta unui mesaj. Omitand conotatia obscena a raspunsului tau (dar ma rog, cand stai intr-un veceu public, te obisnuiesti pana la urma cu mirosul, asa ca nu m-a afectat de loc), permite-mi sa te informez caci de fapt explicasem intr-un mesaj ulterior cum se aplica acea anectoda (ma rog, gluma avortata in imaginatia ta infantila) in contextul discutiei de pe forum.
Pacat de nationalitate...

Domnul sa fie cu tine,
Mike


this was why I got pissed...this 11 year old little moron talking to me this way...
What was so offensive about what I said...mike??? you can't take criticism??? don't post...
but don't insult me bro...
and I suggest you don't respond...but if you do speak english...I don't much care for your romanian gramatical skills...put down the dictionary and speak plainly...

[faptura_noua]

Well..really interesting topic here...I had opportunities to say yes or no...to this desire of having sex...and of course I gave the best I could...the NO...But now...what could have motivate me to do this? And what should motivate me and all of us not to do it?....Not just because the Bible sais not to....not just because you want to keep yourself for the right person....after marriage, of course...But because you so, so, so LOVE GOD....that this love stops you to do it.I think that our Love for God should motivate us from having sex...not a law we make for ourselves, in order to wait untill the marriage nigh. Because laws bring death. For example...if you tell to a child not to touch smth...he will sure do it. But if you love him enough to tell him how bad can that be for him...and that you love him so much that you don't want him to happen' smth bad....He won't do it because he doesn't want to dissapoint you.
Now...it's the same with God...if we take His word only as law...we will most probably sin...But if we take it a a Lived Law...which means that the Holly Spirit that lives inside one acts through Love...We can evoid it...the sin...
So help as God....to live the Love He gave us..

P.S.:...I have this interesting topic about Love and love at my RoBlog..if anyone interested...i'll love some opinions from you

[oxygenie]

I was watching the Bachelorette Show last night and they were taking about virginity… they argued that a couple must see if they’re sexually compatible before marriage. However, this is a cheap excuse. If both have a healthy and strong sex drive, they need not worry about not being sexually compatible. In addition, by waiting until marriage you won’t be able to compare you’re experience to another experience… thereby making it, by default, the best ever. Thus, keep your zipper zipped.

[alin_126]

wow a pretty direct subject.... :) definetly after marriage....nu vreau sa-mi pierd mantuirea http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0903/verkleidung/costumed-smiley-003.gif
Nu cred ca poti sa iti pierzi mantuirea, dar imi pun mari intrebari daca ai cadea in acest pacat, daca esti mantuit. Am fost rastignit impreuna cu Hristos si traiesc, - spunea apostolul Pavel - dar nu mai traiesc eu, ci Hristos traieste in mine. Atunci te intrebi, chiar poti sa faci ceva ce nu este in concordanta cu voia lui Hristos.
Spunea cineva ca cel mai important organ sexual este mintea. Its up to us, now what we do.

[tenazrael]

I was watching the Bachelorette Show last night and they were taking about virginity… they argued that a couple must see if they’re sexually compatible before marriage. However, this is a cheap excuse. If both have a healthy and strong sex drive, they need not worry about not being sexually compatible. In addition, by waiting until marriage you won’t be able to compare you’re experience to another experience… thereby making it, by default, the best ever. Thus, keep your zipper zipped.

lol... i've heard that before... the whole 'have sex to see if your compatible with someone...'

when i was 16 and working at the mall... a girl i was working with said the same thing to me when i told her i wouldn't have sex till marriage...

i think im going to post those videos back on the internet so people can download and watch em again...

[The Merovingian]

louie's message about sex last night, "the hook-up", was also a very good one. check it out sometime at www.722.org, if you're interested. it may not be up for a little while, though.

[romaniaben88]

yeah, merovingian. i was there last night too. it was pretty good...
the basic jist of it was that our sexual innocence is like a candle. once you light that candle...it keeps burning. it's very hard to stop. and almost always it leads to more and more, and as all this is happening your candle is burning down. then one day u realize that half the candle, or more, is gone. we're supossed to hold onto our sexual innocence, which God gave to every one of us, for the day when we join in body and spirit with our spouse.
it was an amazing sermon, but hey...louie's just an amazing person.
i really recommend, to all of you, that you watch the video from last night's 7:22 when u can. it SHOULD be posted on their website (www.722.org) this thursday.

[brunetziku]

the answer is so simple.. you don`t need that much brain...to get it.... is in the amendments...!

[slcdme6]

Nathan,
The Website Was Good. Thanks For Posting It Up.

[icosmin]

I was watching the Bachelorette Show last night and they were taking about virginity… they argued that a couple must see if they’re sexually compatible before marriage. However, this is a cheap excuse. If both have a healthy and strong sex drive, they need not worry about not being sexually compatible. In addition, by waiting until marriage you won’t be able to compare you’re experience to another experience… thereby making it, by default, the best ever. Thus, keep your zipper zipped.

You can't really argue about an experience being the best ever if you can't compare it to another one. Sex is very important for the development of a human. It's like school, you practice on others to finally (hopefully) be decently good at it to please your spouse. Nothing wrong with sexuality, so why keep denying it. It is there, it exists it will always exist.

A lot of religions originating from judaic-christian philosohpies try to reduce the human being to a non-sexual living entity, whereas other religions see sexuality as a sacrament or way of enlightenment, a supreme union in body and spirit between two humans.

Ultimately it's everyone's choice if they want or want not to have sex before marriage, however God won't punish you for loving other w/ your body and your soul, no matter what your denomination might say about it.

[flirtyromababe14]

of course, im planning on having sex only after marriage:) i dont think that u should give up something so special as ur virginity to just some person that ur not even guaranteed to be together with forever:( sex is something special between 2 ppl and many ppl dont see that. i know that at my high school, there are A LOT of girls that have sex and see it as no big deal:(... i used to be friends with a girl like that actually. but yea, save it after marriage u guys... its important to have that mental, spiritual, and physical connection with someone special:):):)...

[MaRK!]

You can't really argue about an experience being the best ever if you can't compare it to another one. Sex is very important for the development of a human. It's like school, you practice on others to finally (hopefully) be decently good at it to please your spouse. Nothing wrong with sexuality, so why keep denying it. It is there, it exists it will always exist.

A lot of religions originating from judaic-christian philosohpies try to reduce the human being to a non-sexual living entity, whereas other religions see sexuality as a sacrament or way of enlightenment, a supreme union in body and spirit between two humans.

Ultimately it's everyone's choice if they want or want not to have sex before marriage, however God won't punish you for loving other w/ your body and your soul, no matter what your denomination might say about it.



Yes, you do have a choice. You have a choice to serve God or Satan (it IS one or the other). And yes, you are punished for 'loving other w/ your body' if that body is not your spouse. The body is a temple and must be kept pure. There is nothing pure about sexual infidelity. And nobody tries to 'reduce the human being to a non-sexual living entity' and no, nothing is wrong with sexuality. ..as long as it is PURE and with your life-spouse. And no, it is not necessary to practice on others in order to please your spouse because since you're both pure and you both dont know, you DO have pleasure and you DO enjoy learning all there is to know about it with ONE ANOTHER because THAT is when it's best - when it is PURE and from the HEART.. UNADULTERATED show of LOVE for one another in a dedicated relationship with one another for LIFE.

I suggest you take your worldy crap of an opinion to another forum where you can talk about all your adulterous acts with people who care and who will think highly of you for doing so. It won't happen here. Stop poisoning the minds of young readers here, duh necurat.

[icosmin]

Yes, you do have a choice. You have a choice to serve God or Satan (it IS one or the other). And yes, you are punished for 'loving other w/ your body' if that body is not your spouse. The body is a temple and must be kept pure. There is nothing pure about sexual infidelity. And nobody tries to 'reduce the human being to a non-sexual living entity' and no, nothing is wrong with sexuality. ..as long as it is PURE and with your life-spouse. And no, it is not necessary to practice on others in order to please your spouse because since you're both pure and you both dont know, you DO have pleasure and you DO enjoy learning all there is to know about it with ONE ANOTHER because THAT is when it's best - when it is PURE and from the HEART.. UNADULTERATED show of LOVE for one another in a dedicated relationship with one another for LIFE.

I suggest you take your worldy crap of an opinion to another forum where you can talk about all your adulterous acts with people who care and who will think highly of you for doing so. It won't happen here. Stop poisoning the minds of young readers here, duh necurat.


Mark, no need to be disrespectful. I respect any approach to life and don't consider mine superior to yours; neither should you.

[MaRK!]

Mark, no need to be disrespectful. I respect any approach to life and don't consider mine superior to yours; neither should you.


If the lifestyle you promote isn't respectable in Christ's eyes, why should it be in mine?

[icosmin]

If the lifestyle you promote isn't respectable in Christ's eyes, why should it be in mine?

Because there is more than one answer to the problem.

[MaRK!]

Because there is more than one answer to the problem.


No there isn't. The ones who can't walk the straight path are the blind. There is only one Christ.

[icosmin]

No there isn't. The ones who can't walk the straight path are the blind. There is only one Christ.

You are absolutely right. There's also only one Mohammad, only one Buddha and many other "only ones". This is the beauty of it all.

[MaRK!]

You are absolutely right. There's also only one Mohammad, only one Buddha and many other "only ones". This is the beauty of it all.


you're absolutely right. the thing is, all the rest are false gods and those who worship them will never see the light of heaven. theres nothing beautiful about that.

[icosmin]

thats true. the thing is, all the rest are false gods and those who worship them will never see the light of heaven. theres nothing beautiful about that.


They are not gods. Mohammed is an illiterate prophet, Buddha just some rich guy who came up w/ a new path to Brahma. Not to mention that the Judeo-Christian God and the Muslim Allah are essentially synonyms.

Anyway. we are off topic.

[alin_126]

icosmin cred ca faci valuri...si vezi ca valurile produc inundatii, si inundatile produc sinistrati si chiar morti. Asa ca ai grija sa nu ajungem la garda nationala care sa intervina.

[icosmin]

icosmin cred ca faci valuri...si vezi ca valurile produc inundatii, si inundatile produc sinistrati si chiar morti. Asa ca ai grija sa nu ajungem la garda nationala care sa intervina.

Vine [La]bush ca are experienta ;)

[alin_126]

Si rezolva ceva?

[icosmin]

Si rezolva ceva?

Sau Basescu si el are experienta inca din copilarie de cind era capitan pe vapoarele de hirtie cu care se juca in timp ce se distra cu submarinu in vana.

[moe2006]

They are not gods. Mohammed is an illiterate prophet, Buddha just some rich guy who came up w/ a new path to Brahma. Not to mention that the Judeo-Christian God and the Muslim Allah are essentially synonyms.

Anyway. we are off topic.
dude I thought the EXACT SAME thing a while back, and when I really got into it and studied, I found out that Allah is nothing more than an idol... look up the threads that are either about Muslims or Islam (there are a buncha threads about this...) they are NOT the same, but they want us to think they are...

[alin_126]

Sau Basescu si el are experienta inca din copilarie de cind era capitan pe vapoarele de hirtie cu care se juca in timp ce se distra cu submarinu in vana.
Cred ca totul depinde de perspectiva cu care privesti. Pentru ca privelistea deasupra apei este diferita de cea de desupt. Asa ca totul depinde de dorinta de a fi sub sau deasupra ne-evaluand nici una dintre optiuni. Asa ca revenind la subiectul de main inainte, important proabil ca ajungi sa spui ca sunt valurile si nu victimile pentru ca din cauza lor s-a ajuns la "collateral damage".

[icosmin]

Cred ca totul depinde de perspectiva cu care privesti. Pentru ca privelistea deasupra apei este diferita de cea de desupt. Asa ca totul depinde de dorinta de a fi sub sau deasupra ne-evaluand nici una dintre optiuni. Asa ca revenind la subiectul de main inainte, important proabil ca ajungi sa spui ca sunt valurile si nu victimile pentru ca din cauza lor s-a ajuns la "collateral damage".

dedesubt vs dedesupt :) Un freudian si-ar face un adevarat festin pe chestia asta. :P

orisicum, revenind la subiectul principal, care-s victimele !? si ce e "collateral damage"!?

[nihilo]

You can't really argue about an experience being the best ever if you can't compare it to another one. Sex is very important for the development of a human. It's like school, you practice on others to finally (hopefully) be decently good at it to please your spouse. Nothing wrong with sexuality, so why keep denying it. It is there, it exists it will always exist.

A lot of religions originating from judaic-christian philosohpies try to reduce the human being to a non-sexual living entity, whereas other religions see sexuality as a sacrament or way of enlightenment, a supreme union in body and spirit between two humans.

Ultimately it's everyone's choice if they want or want not to have sex before marriage, however God won't punish you for loving other w/ your body and your soul, no matter what your denomination might say about it.

your views are not christian views, that's obvious. what i don't understand is what posseses you to come into this forum that obviously is not for you and to start arguments. either you really believe what you say or you want to incite pointless arguments.

either way, it's wrong.

i vote that you should be banned.

[nihilo]

Mark, no need to be disrespectful. I respect any approach to life and don't consider mine superior to yours; neither should you.

you're full of crap. you come here and say you respect any approach to life, that's baloney (parizer in case you don't understand). you don't seem to respect anything we stand for.

i DO consider my approach superior to yours, because i follow the truth. not all paths are the same. in fact only ONE is the right one.

so while i suspect you're just an instigator, i think you should go to another forum and exercise your knowledge - congrats, you read a freshman psychology book si te crezi desshtept.

imo, you're educated beyond your intelligence.

now pleci de aici!

[ichbin's]

guys i thought this website was for everyone to share their beliefs or opinions...that doesnt mean we have to follow or believe them...everyone has different views on everything...and why arent we free to share them wherever we want? i guess i was wrong....it seems like only those that have the same opinions and views about life or anything else should comment on this website....why dont we appreciate others opinions?

[moe2006]

you're full of crap. you come here and say you respect any approach to life, that's baloney (parizer in case you don't understand). you don't seem to respect anything we stand for.

i DO consider my approach superior to yours, because i follow the truth. not all paths are the same. in fact only ONE is the right one.

so while i suspect you're just an instigator, i think you should go to another forum and exercise your knowledge - congrats, you read a freshman psychology book si te crezi desshtept.

imo, you're educated beyond your intelligence.

now pleci de aici!
:amen: I gave up posting back to his comments, but that was a great post... I felt every word :thfro:

[moe2006]

You can't really argue about an experience being the best ever if you can't compare it to another one. Sex is very important for the development of a human. It's like school, you practice on others to finally (hopefully) be decently good at it to please your spouse. Nothing wrong with sexuality, so why keep denying it. It is there, it exists it will always exist.

A lot of religions originating from judaic-christian philosohpies try to reduce the human being to a non-sexual living entity, whereas other religions see sexuality as a sacrament or way of enlightenment, a supreme union in body and spirit between two humans.

Ultimately it's everyone's choice if they want or want not to have sex before marriage, however God won't punish you for loving other w/ your body and your soul, no matter what your denomination might say about it.
that is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard.... ur not christian at all are u? Why the heck would you have sex with another person to practice... ur just using them :twak: get a life bro!!! personally, I don't think u ever even opened the Bible to read it.... get one, and get into it... :wall2:

[icosmin]

that is by far the stupidest thing I've ever heard.... ur not christian at all are u? Why the heck would you have sex with another person to practice... ur just using them :twak: get a life bro!!! personally, I don't think u ever even opened the Bible to read it.... get one, and get into it... :wall2:

I have more than one version of it. How many do you have?

[moe2006]

I have more than one version of it. How many do you have?
I have about 5 english versions if not more, the romanian version, and about 5 commentaries.... trust me, degeaba ai Biblii daca nu le citesti!!!

[nihilo]

I have about 5 english versions if not more, the romanian version, and about 5 commentaries.... trust me, degeaba ai Biblii daca nu le citesti!!!

exact bro. even more, even if you DO reat your bible but don't believe what it says or live the way it tells you, esti mai rau decit un pagin.

[nihilo]

guys i thought this website was for everyone to share their beliefs or opinions...that doesnt mean we have to follow or believe them...everyone has different views on everything...and why arent we free to share them wherever we want? i guess i was wrong....it seems like only those that have the same opinions and views about life or anything else should comment on this website....why dont we appreciate others opinions?

why would you defend someone who has unbiblical teaching? there's a difference between opinions and clear doctrine.

for example, if i said that my OPINION is that adultery is ok, would that be an acceptable opinion to you? or that my opinion that murder is ok, etc.

not everyone's opinions are worth something. icosmin's opinions are not worth anything because they go AGAINST god's teaching. he is an instigator.

you should NEVER defend an opinion that goes against the bible. NEVER.

don't buy into the politically correct attitudes that we're all entitled to an opinion. true, but some are worth something and others are worthless. the bible is your standard, not icosmin's foolish opinions.

[moe2006]

exact bro. even more, even if you DO reat your bible but don't believe what it says or live the way it tells you, esti mai rau decit un pagin.
asa e..... and if you DO believe and don't practice your life that way, it's no use either because even the demons believe and shudder (Iacov 2:19).... noi trebuie sa facem voia Domnului, nu sa fugim dupa poftele tineretii. Pavel scrie in 2 Timotei 2:22 -

"Fugi de poftele tineretii, si urmareste neprihanirea, credinta, dragostea, pacea impreuna cu cei ce cheama pe Domnul dintr'o inima curata."

:amen:

[WiNDOWLiCKER]

guys i thought this website was for everyone to share their beliefs or opinions...that doesnt mean we have to follow or believe them...everyone has different views on everything...and why arent we free to share them wherever we want? i guess i was wrong....it seems like only those that have the same opinions and views about life or anything else should comment on this website....why dont we appreciate others opinions?

you thought wrong. this is a christian website on which people share ideas pertaining to christianity and one on which we share our experiences. see: Forum Rules.

posts containing unbiblical ideas are not allowed. icosmin is a pagan and a devil-worshiper. why are you defending him? (yes, i said it: devil-worshipper. you have a choice of two- God and satan. in all things, you either worship one or the other. he obviously doesnt worship God.)

[ichbin's]

i was just saying...that everyone can do whatever they want...caci nu eu sau tu vom raspunde pentru faptele lor...dar macar sa nu fim asa de offensive cu ei....and im not trying to defend icosmin....at all....and if your trying to convince someone about the right thing...what is right according to the bible..and they dont buy it...then dont call them...devil-worshipper...we dont know anything about them...dont judge them...thats how it seems most of the time...that if someone doesnt follow the rules or doesnt believe in God...we judge them...and call them different names....noi fim crestini...we should give a good example...

[moe2006]

i was just saying...that everyone can do whatever they want...caci nu eu sau tu vom raspunde pentru faptele lor...dar macar sa nu fim asa de offensive cu ei....and im not trying to defend icosmin....at all....and if your trying to convince someone about the right thing...what is right according to the bible..and they dont buy it...then dont call them...devil-worshipper...we dont know anything about them...dont judge them...thats how it seems most of the time...that if someone doesnt follow the rules or doesnt believe in God...we judge them...and call them different names....noi fim crestini...we should give a good example...
I don't think you understood what she (windowlicker) posted... you're either a God-worshipper or a devil-worshipper.... you can't be both.... wake up to reality, hun!!!

[deleted account 2]

Well I personaly think tabita (alexa girl) was just simply stating "do not judge others" their oppinions and what they do quiet frankly has nothing to do with you so you cant be like "oh my goodness your so stupid get a clue basically in other words" if you are gonna tell somoene that what they are doing is wrong tell them as a encouragement and as a way to lift up that person not as a discouragment!! "never look down on somoene unless you are helping them up kinda thing" And quiet frankly I am not about to sit here and read 9 pages into this i read some of each page..and this is quiet frankly in black and white.... Sex is a Sin.. If you do not believe in the bible the word of God, God himself or any of that stuff.. just remeber your future soul mate "I'm sorry hunny i could not control my emotions b/c temptation got to me" she/he on the other hand has been waiting for u their whole life is that quiet fair? I dont think so...It's intimate.. and soposed to be for that special one..why exactly do you need practice? Wouldn't you be getting enough practice when you are married.And temptation please its not that hard to say no and im speaking from experiences and im only 15 Its just pretty much based on what you stand for and how strong your beliefs are...God bless guys and hopefully give us wisdom to do the right thing.

[ichbin's]

Well I personaly think tabita (alexa girl) was just simply stating "do not judge others" their oppinions and what they do quiet frankly has nothing to do with you so you cant be like "oh my goodness your so stupid get a clue basically in other words" if you are gonna tell somoene that what they are doing is wrong tell them as a encouragement and as a way to lift up that person not as a discouragment!! "never look down on somoene unless you are helping them up kinda thing" And quiet frankly I am not about to sit here and read 9 pages into this i read some of each page..and this is quiet frankly in black and white.... Sex is a Sin.. If you do not believe in the bible the word of God, God himself or any of that stuff.. just remeber your future soul mate "I'm sorry hunny i could not control my emotions b/c temptation got to me" she/he on the other hand has been waiting for u their whole life is that quiet fair? I dont think so...It's intimate.. and soposed to be for that special one..why exactly do you need practice? Wouldn't you be getting enough practice when you are married.And temptation please its not that hard to say no and im speaking from experiences and im only 15 Its just pretty much based on what you stand for and how strong your beliefs are...God bless guys and hopefully give us wisdom to do the right thing.





thank you lory...finally someone understands what im trying to say.....its hard to express myself.... :sad4:

[alin_126]

ICOSMIN cred ca vederile tale exoterice te fac un "outsider" intr-o zona a virtualului care transcende gandirea unora. Respectul reciproc inseamna nejignirea adversarului ideologic, ci din potriva aducerea argumentelor puternice suportate de premize puternice pentru a putea intari ceea ce se spune. Dar asa sunt romanii cand nu mai au ce zice te injura...chiar pocaieste....Sunt sigur ca cei implicati sunt DORNICI sa isi ceara scuze public pentru injuraturi

[deleted account 2]

thank you lory...finally someone understands what im trying to say.....its hard to express myself.... :sad4:


Aww fato dont worry chicka! i'm here for you tu... I love you to death girly i will see you sunday DONT run off like you allways do stay to talk!!!! :sureee:

and the kid before me um someone translate please? :rolleyes:

[ichbin's]

hahahaha...i'll try to stay after....i know...i need translation too what alin_126 is trying to say....

[nihilo]

ICOSMIN cred ca vederile tale exoterice te fac un "outsider" intr-o zona a virtualului care transcende gandirea unora. Respectul reciproc inseamna nejignirea adversarului ideologic, ci din potriva aducerea argumentelor puternice suportate de premize puternice pentru a putea intari ceea ce se spune. Dar asa sunt romanii cand nu mai au ce zice te injura...chiar pocaieste....Sunt sigur ca cei implicati sunt DORNICI sa isi ceara scuze public pentru injuraturi

what are you talking about? that argument of yours is unfounded.

we aren't debating philosophy here, we're talking about biblical principles. if you or anyone else goes AGAINST biblical principles, i have nothing else to debate. and mai ales if you do it on purpose, to incite a response.

btw, esoteric ideas are no problem as long as they don't contradict what the bible says. there are many esoteric thinkers on their way to hell. prea educati, you know?

[nihilo]

i was just saying...that everyone can do whatever they want...caci nu eu sau tu vom raspunde pentru faptele lor...dar macar sa nu fim asa de offensive cu ei....and im not trying to defend icosmin....at all....and if your trying to convince someone about the right thing...what is right according to the bible..and they dont buy it...then dont call them...devil-worshipper...we dont know anything about them...dont judge them...thats how it seems most of the time...that if someone doesnt follow the rules or doesnt believe in God...we judge them...and call them different names....noi fim crestini...we should give a good example...

man, don't confuse setting a good example with compromising what the bible clearly says. if someone is on satan's side, why do we need to defend their views? we should not water down our message in order to 'not offend'. that's politically correct bullhonky.

i could give a lot of examples, but it wouldn't matter. this has been already discussed.

the bottom line is that we have nothing to discuss with those obviously bent on knocking down biblical principles.

there are EVILDOERS and WRONGDOERS. people who don't realize that they're doing wrong are wrongdoers - people who KNOW they're doing wrong are EVILDOERS. it's a conscious choice.

[icosmin]

ICOSMIN cred ca vederile tale exoterice te fac un "outsider" intr-o zona a virtualului care transcende gandirea unora. Respectul reciproc inseamna nejignirea adversarului ideologic, ci din potriva aducerea argumentelor puternice suportate de premize puternice pentru a putea intari ceea ce se spune. Dar asa sunt romanii cand nu mai au ce zice te injura...chiar pocaieste....Sunt sigur ca cei implicati sunt DORNICI sa isi ceara scuze public pentru injuraturi

Eh las' sa-njure, atita bai sa fie. In fond sunt si ei oameni; oamenii mai injura uneori. E bine ca au o atitudine puternic polarizata. Problemele legate de credinta omului si cultura in care a fost crescut intotdeauna provoaca raspunsuri dure. Fiecare cu centrismul sau important e sa fie sanatosi si fericiti :)

BTW. In problemele teologice premisele nu se pot folosi pt ca logica nu tine. Orice religie devine adevarata prin credinta, d-aia si exista o gramada de denominatii.

[moe2006]

man, don't confuse setting a good example with compromising what the bible clearly says. if someone is on satan's side, why do we need to defend their views? we should not water down our message in order to 'not offend'. that's politically correct bullhonky.

i could give a lot of examples, but it wouldn't matter. this has been already discussed.

the bottom line is that we have nothing to discuss with those obviously bent on knocking down biblical principles.

there are EVILDOERS and WRONGDOERS. people who don't realize that they're doing wrong are wrongdoers - people who KNOW they're doing wrong are EVILDOERS. it's a conscious choice.
dude..... they're hard-headed... softies to the other side (which is the devil and hell) :wall2: :wall2: you might wanna post with more s p a c e s because it might be too fast for them... they might need to read it s l o w e r... :p:

[alin_126]

am vrut sa zic ESOTERIC nu eXoteric (ugly typo).... :screwy: ->me :wall2: :hello: :hello:

[ramonel]

Well.. it's all relatively simple.. even putting aside Biblical teachings, at one stage it was thought immoral to have sexual relations before marriage. You know how the line goes; to be "old fashioned".. alot of the time that's the excuse people use to justify the immoral, unconstrained ideas of contemporary society.

Think of it from this perspective, if not from the Biblical; how will your wife/husband take your having been around with a few people before your marriage? Moreso, would it bother YOU, knowing he/she's been with a few girls/guys before you? If it does, think twice before YOU do something. What goes around, comes around.

[nihilo]

am vrut sa zic ESOTERIC nu eXoteric (ugly typo).... :screwy: ->me :wall2: :hello: :hello:

lasa, don't be so hard on yourself. we're all human. :)

[Beatus]

i think we've gotten a bit off topic.. soooo back to sex.. love and relationships.

God created us as sexual beings. The idea of male and female was HIS, and we can be sure that he designed sexuality for our benefit. However, God's gift of sexuality is so often misused. Unfortunately, we pick up beliefs from the world around us, and most of us don't study the Bible enough in order to have a strong foundation in our beliefs... but i'm going to list 4 truths that i learned from gloria okes perkins that i believe we can't do without:

1) Sexuality according to God's design is "very good" (Gen 1:27-37) God created man and woman as sexual beings made for intimate union with each other, and he called it "very good." With His marriage blessing came the command to exercise their sexuality and to produce new life.

2) Intimate sexual love belongs within the security of the marriage relationship (Gen 2:18-25) The Lord's marriage pronouncement established sexual love at the heart of marriage: "a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. (v 24) God's "one flesh" plan for marriage unites husband and wife to heal their loneliness, to make them complete, and to give them continuing pleasure without shame in an environment of permament commitment (Gen. 2:18, Prov 5:18-19; Song of Songs)

3) Sex outside of marriage defeats God's good purposes for our sexuality and becomes destructive (1 Cor. 6:13-20) "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral" (Heb 13:4) Many Scriptures amplify this warning. "Flee from sexual immorality" God cautions. "All other sins a man commits are outside his body but he who sins sexually sins against His own body" (1 Cor. 6:18) God did not design us for sexual immorality. Keep in mind, our bodies are temples for the Holy Spirit..

4) The New Testament reveals that the one-flesh union of husband and wife is intended to picture the intimate closeness, total commitment, and permanent love relationship of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Church (Eph. 5:30-32) The sexuality of marriage signifies much more than the world can understand. Only believers can appreciate its profound meaning and spiritual purpose.

Hopefully, as we understand what the Bible communicates about sexuality, we learn to treat sex with care: with thanksgiving, because we know God has created it for our blessing; with caution, because we know the dangers of misusing it; and with respect because we know what it means....

[MrSergio]

I agree with most off you ppl and with your comments.. i trully believe that sex was ment to be for those whom are trully in love with eachother and not to be just a casual thing.. It is so much more harder to keep off and wait then just loose you'r virginity to some1 that u might never c again.. like most of you ppl said it is intended to be a proclamation of your love for your partner..

[Soda]

wow this is deff a good conversation.. Saint Joe you missed out on alot........ lol i think God did bind eve and adam together like mark said... not everything was in detail in the bible. u know what i mean dont argue...lol.....

anyway some ppl mentioned what if there were ppl who fell into temptation?! then what? are they not able to be forgiven? to be pure again? if any of you guys watched the preaching youd see that the preacher stated that before jesus died for us we as ppl viewed purity on the out side.. but jesus came to say "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO ARE PURE AT HEART!"
now im not saying that its right to have sex before marragie... but ppl do make mistakes.. adn just like Oxygenie said if youve never expreienced it nor has the partner whoes to tell if it was good or bad?!

Icosmin- i know that your not on the same page as us. .. and i know you have your veiws but even i took a religion class and all those ppl that you stated were not the TRUE deliveres. i know that my God is- he lives in me - he does miricals everyday and i talk to him and he talks to me. there were many many other pagan gods mentioned even in the bible... ruth before she came to god believe in Chemose... now tell me how can you belive in a God that is represented as a statue and forces you to kill your own children?! i know you didnt mention this God but im jsut saying.....
oh and also about practicing on others.. that just tells you what qualities you think is ok for a person to have.. unloayl..not faithful. not trustful. not loving or devoted to one person.. or much like you one true GOD. you brought up so many of your own tell me are you allowed to choose favorites among them? Practicing on others not only makes you think less of sex or cheerish it-- and when you do find the one youlove- you wont really love them because youll think that its not good enough - theres something more out there. ... sex can become corupt just as well if you dont cheerish it for the one you give your heart to. if your gonna have sex with everyone then whats the pt of love? why dont you just spread a diesease or something for fun.. becasue thats how aids stared to.

ANYWAY-- for those who have sinned- there is light and there is God. Purity for chirist starts on the inside! 1John 1:9 if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness!!!!!!!!!!

everyone does have a choice wheather you made a mistake int eh past or not. sex IS best saved for marriage.. and i forgot who posted it.. i think Alexa grl (forgive me if im wrong)
BUt NO and NO and NO God forgives you... ppl Do make mistakes he wont curse you ... and give you a bad marragie and if your love is pure and you have repented whole heartedly you will think only about the love of God and your new life. why would you just assume that? God loves all especailly the tax collectors remember that!!!!

and nathan.... it is very sad that teens so young get into things they dont know adn will regret all thier lives.. we must join in prayer and pray fro them ...to pray fro us all ...

[Soda]

wow this is deff a good conversation.. Saint Joe you missed out on alot........ lol i think God did bind eve and adam together like mark said... not everything was in detail in the bible. u know what i mean dont argue...lol.....

anyway some ppl mentioned what if there were ppl who fell into temptation?! then what? are they not able to be forgiven? to be pure again? if any of you guys watched the preaching youd see that the preacher stated that before jesus died for us we as ppl viewed purity on the out side.. but jesus came to say "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO ARE PURE AT HEART!"
now im not saying that its right to have sex before marragie... but ppl do make mistakes.. adn just like Oxygenie said if youve never expreienced it nor has the partner whoes to tell if it was good or bad?!

Icosmin- i know that your not on the same page as us. .. and i know you have your veiws but even i took a religion class and all those ppl that you stated were not the TRUE deliveres. i know that my God is- he lives in me - he does miricals everyday and i talk to him and he talks to me. there were many many other pagan gods mentioned even in the bible... ruth before she came to god believe in Chemose... now tell me how can you belive in a God that is represented as a statue and forces you to kill your own children?! i know you didnt mention this God but im jsut saying.....
oh and also about practicing on others.. that just tells you what qualities you think is ok for a person to have.. unloayl..not faithful. not trustful. not loving or devoted to one person.. or much like you one true GOD. you brought up so many of your own tell me are you allowed to choose favorites among them? Practicing on others not only makes you think less of sex or cheerish it-- and when you do find the one youlove- you wont really love them because youll think that its not good enough - theres something more out there. ... sex can become corupt just as well if you dont cheerish it for the one you give your heart to. if your gonna have sex with everyone then whats the pt of love? why dont you just spread a diesease or something for fun.. becasue thats how aids stared to.

ANYWAY-- for those who have sinned- there is light and there is God. Purity for chirist starts on the inside! 1John 1:9 if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness!!!!!!!!!!

everyone does have a choice wheather you made a mistake int eh past or not. sex IS best saved for marriage.. and i forgot who posted it.. i think Alexa grl (forgive me if im wrong)
BUt NO and NO and NO God forgives you... ppl Do make mistakes he wont curse you ... and give you a bad marragie and if your love is pure and you have repented whole heartedly you will think only about the love of God and your new life. why would you just assume that? God loves all especailly the tax collectors remember that!!!!

and nathan.... it is very sad that teens so young get into things they dont know adn will regret all thier lives.. we must join in prayer and pray fro them ...to pray fro us all ...

[icosmin]

So, how many people here actually know what they're talking about? Rephrasing the question, how many people have had sex and how was the whole process? I'm interested more in women's opinions than men's as for men the whole thing is rather mechanical in nature.

[!BARBIE!]

So, how many people here actually know what they're talking about? Rephrasing the question, how many people have had sex and how was the whole process? I'm interested more in women's opinions than men's as for men the whole thing is rather mechanical in nature.

well im not married, so yeh i can answer ur qn... but some of my friends have had sex and as they progress in their sex life is seems to b of less and less importance to them. so basically its like using a drug where it looses its affect on u after a while... so they r probably more willing to give it up coz its not that special to them anymore. and what do u mean by 'know about the wole proces?'

[tucurel]

So, how many people here actually know what they're talking about? Rephrasing the question, how many people have had sex and how was the whole process? I'm interested more in women's opinions than men's as for men the whole thing is rather mechanical in nature.


Are you going to enlighten as the way you did about the morality of gay marriages? :)
I hope you're not expecting anyone from this site (who claims to be a Christian) to say "I'm not a virgin anymore" :rolleyes: That would compromise their chances to marry another royouther :D

C'mon, tell us about sex, icosmin. I'm really made me curios.

[tucurel]

oh, my bad Cosmin. I see you already enlightened us. Don't worry, I'll come in just a sec. :)

[61leumas]

yeah i'd have to agree with the idea that its like a drug..that's what everyone at work says...and at work we're mostly a crew of guy and to chicks..so you learn a little about everything from smoking cigarettes and joint and getting drunk and sleeping around....and they say that its something that is even more addicting than porn ..."once done you just got to have it again and have it all the time!": those were my managers exact words..."so dont start till you married..." but then again ppl are to arrogant and stupid and they think that they wont fall into an kind of addicctive habit..but what can you so...you do your part and tell them what would happen..the rest is on their shoulders and they have to learn from their own mistakes if they dont learn from the mistakes of others...