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miezu23
10-27-2004, 09:32 PM
There are a total of 538 electoral votes, with 270 needed to win. U.S. State Dept.

About the Electoral College

Number of Electors: 538, one for each of 435 House members, 100 senators and three for the District of Columbia.

Number Needed to Win: 270

Allocation: Each state's electors equal the number of its House members and two senators.

Selection: Electors are generally chosen by the political parties, but they are not required by law to vote in accordance with the popular vote in their state.

Split Vote: In Maine and Nebraska, two electors are chosen at-large by statewide popular vote, while the rest are selected by popular vote in each congressional district. That means the electoral votes in those two states can result in a split slate of electors.

House Role: If no presidential candidate wins a majority of electoral votes, the presidential election is decided by a majority vote of the U.S. House. Each state delegation receives one vote.




Morning Edition, October 27, 2004 · The disputed 2000 presidential election revived a long-standing debate over the Electoral College and its role in American democracy. While George W. Bush lost the popular vote to Al Gore, he gained office through the Electoral College system -- after a legal fight in Florida that ended up being decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

In a Morning Edition interview last week, George Edwards, author of Why the Electoral College is Bad for America, questioned the system. Edwards, a political science professor at Texas A&M University, argued that it distorts an election by dividing up the vote, state by state.

"At base, it violates political equality," Edwards told NPR's Steve Inskeep. "It's not a neutral counting device; instead, it favors some citizens over others depending solely on the state in which they cast their votes for president.

"So it's an institution that aggregates the popular vote in an inherently unjust manner and allows the candidate who is not preferred by the American public to win the election."

On Wednesday's program, Judith Best, a political science professor at the State University of New York at Cortland, defends the Electoral College. She's the author of The Case Against Direct Election of the President.

"Primarily, the role of the election is to select a president who can govern this vast and heterogeneous nation," Best tells Inskeep in an interview. "A presidential election is not a census or even a public opinion poll. It's not designed to break down the population into separate isolated individuals and treat them as mere numbers. It's designed to bring together the largest possible support for the winner," Best says. "To be able to govern, the winner must have broad cross-sectional... base of support. Broad distribution of support is far more important than depth of support."

miezu23
10-27-2004, 09:43 PM
here is a link if you want to listen to the story.......... http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4127863

Pull and Twist
10-29-2004, 07:19 PM
I believe the electoral college is a good system that keeps the voting system we have now in balance.

Why?

Because the majority of our population does not have the knowledge required to vote.

80% of our population couldn't even pass the citzenship exam, and yet they think that they are capable of making a informed descision.

I read the newspaper and various political arguments for aprox. 4 hours a day, and I still don't feel like I am completely informed about it.

The electoral college is there to govern because the majority will buy what ever is being sold to them.

Look at all the people who still believe Bush is a devote Christian.

Slowly_Disolved
10-29-2004, 07:29 PM
I believe the electoral college is a good system that keeps the voting system we have now in balance.

Why?

Because the majority of our population does not have the knowledge required to vote.

80% of our population couldn't even pass the citzenship exam, and yet they think that they are capable of making a informed descision.

I read the newspaper and various political arguments for aprox. 4 hours a day, and I still don't feel like I am completely informed about it.

The electoral college is there to govern because the majority will buy what ever is being sold to them.

Look at all the people who still believe Bush is a devote Christian.

thats not a reason to keep the electoral votes.....jsut simply becuase soeone says they dont think the ppl are educated enough.....were spose to have freedom to vote i think the electoral votes arent a bright idea, so a few presidents win the popular vote but lose to the electoral that means they lost even though they won the popular vote, that kind of dosent make sense whats the point of voting then....my profeesor for History says theyve been trying to change that but so far no luck.....these are my thoughts not youres......

Pull and Twist
10-29-2004, 07:37 PM
People have this false idea that we are a democracy.

We are in reality a Representitive Republic, and I think our forefathers were wise in making this choice because it works.

If everyone who wished to vote would be required to be examined prior to voting to see if they are capable of making an informed decision, than I would be all up for a democracy.

Slowly_Disolved
10-29-2004, 07:44 PM
man youre not making sense here, so youre saying ppl arent up for choseing who to vote for...... becuse their in lack of education and youre telling me a test is what decides, but know i understand why we need the electoral votes so i change my opinion on that...and i say we keep it but still a test dosent tell ones education and ability to vote....

Pull and Twist
10-29-2004, 07:54 PM
and i say we keep it but still a test dosent tell ones education and ability to vote....

Really?

When they want to gauge how much you learned in a class at school, do they not test you?

When a college examines you to see if you are qualified for their school, do they not test you (SAT)?

When you go to get your drivers license, do they not test you to make sure you can operate the machinery and know the rules before hand?

When you get your citzenship, do they not test you to see if you are truly going to try to become a US citizen?

It seems that many people believe that a test can gauge someones intelligence, would we have an IQ test if this wasn't the case?

man youre not making sense here

No, you don't comprehend what I am saying.

The Electoral College is a good thing because it keeps the uninformed majority in check.

Were they to require a test to gauge peoples ability to vote, then we could have a true democracy.

Slowly_Disolved
10-29-2004, 08:17 PM
the IQ is for a certain type of culture......and so are the sats and the us citienships, who made all these tests one type of culture....tests dont mean anything, how can a test prove anything, yah some test are needed, ex. driving tests....but what about the sat what if you just dont have good memoery or youre having trouble with that certian subject.....but like i said i see where youre coming from and i agree for both issues (mine and youres) theirs always two sides to an argument.....and i see youre poit of view....i guess theyll have to vote on it know ;)

Pull and Twist
10-29-2004, 08:48 PM
but what about the sat what if you just dont have good memoery or youre having trouble with that certian subject

It's an aptitude test, that is what it's testing, to see if you have good memory and to see what subjects you are lacking in.

tests dont mean anything, how can a test prove anything

Wow, what an irrational statement. I believe most people would disagree with you, actually I'm sure everyone would disagree with you.

Slowly_Disolved
10-29-2004, 09:17 PM
heheh then plz come to my university, WSU in detiort, here you will find that many ppl agree with me.....its not like i thought of this all by mysefl we talk about it in collage too lots of ppl argue things in many ways, such as this subject which thier is no soulution too becuase thiers to sides just becuase you chose that one dosent mean its right and just becuase i chose this side dosent mean im right so i guess thier no point in arguing this becuase thier will always be the benifits and deflicts......so in a way were both right and wrong, you dig what im sprying to you lol j/k so in conclusion its really up to the ppl who run this country to chose if they sould keep it or not....