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RomoBoxer05

12-01-2004, 08:12 PM

I Have A Question: Lets Say A Christian Joined The Miltiary Becasue There Was No Way For Him To Get To College Or Help His Family With Finical Needs. Now He Is In Iraq And Lets Say That He Is In The Front Line And He Was Faced With An Emeny (iraqian Insurgent) Who Was Pointing A Gun At Him.... If He Kills That Insurgent Is It A Sin Or Not......remember That He Is Fighing For What Is Good And For His Counrty.... Please Give Me Exapmles From The Bible Or If Ur A Pastor Let Me Now How To Answer This Question.

RomoBoxer05

12-01-2004, 08:13 PM

Please Use Exapmles From Bible If U Can

A&A

12-01-2004, 08:34 PM

Jesus never told any of the Roman soliders or officers to get out of the Army.

Remember, God told Israel that he would DELIVER THEIR ENEMY INTO THEIR HANDS if they were faithful/obedient etc. Deliver them to do what... have a quaint picnic on the battlefield and drink some kosher lemonade? No. The enemies of God's chosen were run through with the sword.

God bless u if ur in the armed forces. Stay safe.

relix

12-01-2004, 08:50 PM

I don't think there's any way we can negotiate with terrorists these days so... there's no way around war. This means people have to go to war. This means killing.

Remember that Israel was often at war with it's neighbors ? And wether God was with them or not... there were israelis killed, and israelis who killed. Most of the time when they had victories the bible gives exact numbers of the killed enemies. There were brave men who went to war for Israel..and they were blessed by God. David was one of them. He killed Goliath and it was God who fought for him, and for Israel.
If you have to go to war... you can't just do nothing. You either kill the enemy of get killed. There's no other option. The choice is yours. I don't think God will judge you for killing the enemy, if there was no other option to war.

eu sint

12-04-2004, 06:15 PM

unul dinte apostoli spune ca sa ascultam de cei din functi mai mari and the law so... i really don't think you have a choice.

(I would join the army but i know that if i did i would break my mommies heat so the time being i won't) and if i were faced with such a situation, you can be sure i'm not just going to sit there and let the guy blast my head off!

moe2006

12-04-2004, 06:44 PM

it's not a sin.... 1 of the 10 commandments tells us: you shall not kill... that's talking about murder.... now war is different. I'd rather have my rival's mom cry than have my mom cry!!!

HILFIGER

12-04-2004, 07:10 PM

moe2006

12-04-2004, 07:20 PM

I know... thank you!!!

Steven!

12-11-2004, 02:47 PM

No, it's not a sin. You have to defend your life, and your family. It's not a sin.

Pull and Twist

12-11-2004, 03:11 PM

it's not a sin.... 1 of the 10 commandments tells us: you shall not kill... that's talking about murder.... now war is different. I'd rather have my rival's mom cry than have my mom cry!!!

What a 'moral' perspective on the world for a person who voted for a 'moral' president.

Observe how I use the word 'moral' loosely. :rolleyes:

But back to the topic, there is no scripture that clearly sanctions killing in wars. Though there are scriptures that speak against murder as well as scriptures that speak of God sending his people into war and punishing by death those who are sinners.

Of course, that's all in the old testament, in the new testament there is a radically new message given out of forgiveness towards one another and of turning ones cheek towards thy enemy. Even upon his capture, Jesus did not allow his disciples to kill in self-defense and told them to flee.

Is war an act of forgiveness or retaliation? Is it a turning of the cheek? :scratch:

I guess it would depend on your own personal conviction. Which part of the Bible do you want to adhere too, what are the motivations behind the action? Did you join the army as an excuse to kill people or to serve your country? Is the killing that you’re doing justified? Remember that all war killing in the Old Testament was done in the name of God for the benefit of God's people. Is this a Christian war? Will this benefit God? There are a lot of questions that have to be addressed to get a better understanding of the situation.

Regardless, you'll find no clear indication in Bible scripture and most will be up to interpretation, much like Moe interpreted the commandment. Is he right in doing so? One can't know.

I do find it amusing how he freely interprets the commandment and changes the meaning of it but is quick to get on my case when I interpret Bible scripture to prove a point. ;)

moe2006

12-17-2004, 02:40 AM

Dude, I didn't misinterpret that!!! I heard it on the christian radio station here..... they were talking about exactly what this thread is about....

Coffee_dude

12-26-2004, 05:31 AM

i don't think it's a sin. i mean if God wants us to fight, then we fight. i know it's not the most christian thing to do, but we're not taking pleasure in killing, we're simply doing His will. i think this is what the commendment reffers to when it mentions no killing. i'm not saying we should all sign up and go slaughter other nations, but we shouldn't blame ourselves for the lives lost and understand that it is all up to God's will that takes place, not ours. we simple play our part like we were meant to.
if this doesn't bring up make of a statement or an argument, then think back on the time when God helped christians win battles, and he didn't exactly do it by a lightning strike, but gave christians the power to defeat the enemy.

Moonbutmuncher

12-31-2004, 01:07 PM

What about David from the bible? He fought in wars, killed many people, but yet he still found favor in the eyes of the Lord......

nicole02

01-22-2005, 12:01 AM

gabi_m

01-22-2005, 12:17 AM

i say we kill'em all...

God told israel to go and conquer canaan..and they did conquer it by way of war...and many times He told them to slay everyone in the city...i don't believe there's a rule that would prohibit killing of the enemy during a battle..if you find something like that in the Bible please show me...

God bless the US troops stationed in Iraq/Afganistan

keepindafaith

01-22-2005, 01:15 AM

all in all...I'm not too sure what to believe...but it is all his own conviction and God Be with him :/

`aj

01-22-2005, 01:20 AM

romaninas are very religious!!!

moe2006

01-22-2005, 03:14 AM

Not realy because in the bible people fought to defend themselves and their country, and what you are doing may be in some way good in gods eyes and at the same time it may not because one day it has to stop and for us to make peace.....:)`
are you telling me that the american soldiers are not defending their country??? and I don't believe in peace... at least not peace on earth... that's anti-christ material.....

Moonbutmuncher

01-22-2005, 03:19 AM

Not realy because in the bible people fought to defend themselves and their country, and what you are doing may be in some way good in gods eyes and at the same time it may not because one day it has to stop and for us to make peace.....:)`

so the people in bible times fought for their country???????....hmm well thats what these soldiers are doing....sooo um.....whats ur point?

Daniel M.

01-22-2005, 10:39 AM

What a 'moral' perspective on the world for a person who voted for a 'moral' president.

Observe how I use the word 'moral' loosely. :rolleyes:

But back to the topic, there is no scripture that clearly sanctions killing in wars. Though there are scriptures that speak against murder as well as scriptures that speak of God sending his people into war and punishing by death those who are sinners.

Of course, that's all in the old testament, in the new testament there is a radically new message given out of forgiveness towards one another and of turning ones cheek towards thy enemy. Even upon his capture, Jesus did not allow his disciples to kill in self-defense and told them to flee.

Is war an act of forgiveness or retaliation? Is it a turning of the cheek? :scratch:

I guess it would depend on your own personal conviction. Which part of the Bible do you want to adhere too, what are the motivations behind the action? Did you join the army as an excuse to kill people or to serve your country? Is the killing that you’re doing justified? Remember that all war killing in the Old Testament was done in the name of God for the benefit of God's people. Is this a Christian war? Will this benefit God? There are a lot of questions that have to be addressed to get a better understanding of the situation.

Regardless, you'll find no clear indication in Bible scripture and most will be up to interpretation, much like Moe interpreted the commandment. Is he right in doing so? One can't know.

I do find it amusing how he freely interprets the commandment and changes the meaning of it but is quick to get on my case when I interpret Bible scripture to prove a point. ;)

I agree with you and I think you make some valid points . Jesus told Peter to put his sword away. Jesus said to turn the other cheek. My question is up to what extent will u allow some one to punch you and harss you?? To be slaped couple times ok but to be killed i belive you have a right to defend yourself. How about Israel in our days should they waith for hamas to kill all of them and suffer i dont think so. Like you said is ut to ones interpretation of the Bible.

Coffee_dude

02-01-2005, 11:32 PM

jeem

02-01-2005, 11:41 PM

i just dont feel like i have a right to kill anyone. i dont want to ever have to make that choice. its quite sickening to my stomach to even think of such things.

ema gabriela

02-01-2005, 11:52 PM

there were quite a few battles in the bible. most recently i read of how moses and his crew fought this group of people (cant remeber what there name was) and moses had to hold up his staff so that his people would win the battle. obviously people were getting killed because God said he would wipe out that group of people.

fighting a war is not murder. i wonder why people would think it's a sin...

also, can you all continue to pray for the troops in iraq. we'd all like to see them come home safe. my bro will be going to iraq for the second time and i know the troops there appreciate all the prayers.

Dat1

03-01-2005, 12:17 AM

unul dinte apostoli spune ca sa ascultam de cei din functi mai mari and the law so... i really don't think you have a choice.

Would you have recommended the same thing to the people who lived under communism, nazism, or for that matter Sadam? It creates quite a dillema.

edit: Spelling correction

Don Costellini

03-01-2005, 06:52 AM

If you really think about it, you'd put it this way: WRONG: killing someone for fun, meaning you're just there to find some quarrel with some hadji and off him. RIGHT: killing someone because that person is a potential threat to you, your fellow soldiers, or other people, now that is not murder, that's self-defense. SO get something straight here man, if you join the military, the Bible supports it and says that whoever signed up for the forces, must obey and follow the rules appointed by those over him. Trust me bro, I'm a soldier too. I've been in those situations before! De Opresso LIBER!!!

sYphon

03-01-2005, 07:14 AM

st3lliano

03-01-2005, 11:32 AM

Like Pull and Twist said, the rules have changed in the New Testament.....

Many of you have referred to Old Testament Wars which is valid because I dont believe there is a single mention of wars occuring in the New Testament. This is probably becasue of the change in message. The focus of God was no longer reserved for the Isrealites, and it was extended to all people. So it is hard to know what the New Testament says about war because there is no actual text referring to war.

For me, its a toss up situation. If you are drafted and you are forced to fight, would you want to deal with the consequences of refusing service, such that you recieve jail time? Or do what you are told, and hope that you may not have to kill anybody?

soldatu1

03-01-2005, 01:04 PM

You get bonus points for every one that you kill, that my opinion. War is war. Jesus said to turn a cheek when someone comes to slap you. He doesn't say let a person kill you. To turn a cheek is meant when someone comes to mock you. If someone came to kill you, and they had complete intent to murder you...does Jesus say let him take your life? Of course not. There's a diffrence between killing and murdering.

61leumas

03-01-2005, 02:49 PM

from the old testment God said thou shall not murder not thou shall not kill...there is a differnce which often makes for translation mistakes...
from the new testment it is said that God has put higher authorities above us...the government..and that they are to be respected, of course trhere are exceptions......but paul also had something to say about it sry i can't locate the versus so i wont try to paraphrase what he said...

popa

03-28-2005, 04:08 PM

there is a very deep moral and personal dilema when it comes to "killing in battle".
one of these issues is the reason of the specific war itself.
currently it seems that we have a "common enemy" with the insurgencies in Iraq. However, we had nothing to deal with them before the war. I am not taking any stand for or against the war here, I am just trying to make a point.

The Bible does state that those who use have the sword do not have it in vain, but for a reason, and that the law was created for those that are lawless.

I think it comes down to personal conviction. I would defend my wife and baby if that means killing someone.

The issue is motive. When is a war a legitmate war ? when a nation or a group of people define a specific enemy ?

what will happen if and when Christians will be named the "enemy". will it be ok for the armed forces to kill them?

popa

03-28-2005, 06:15 PM

what is the main point of war ? to get rid of enemies....right..?

well who are the enemies...a bunch of people we define as enemies...?

its a very sensitive and tricky situation. i think it can only be evaluated between the soldier and God. I think if you join the forces, you have to go in their with the mentality that nowadays, there is a greater chance that you will be in battle, than not. so if your conciense is clear, than do it. But there is a very fine line in terms of semantics.

third_day

04-16-2005, 11:32 AM

i don't think it's a sin. the Bible tells us not to murder. when you kill in a war, you are not picking out the person you want to kill. you re not "planning" their death. it's something that nobldy likes, but has to be done.